to tell or not to tell the IO that we got married outside Canada

[canadiancitizen]

Hello,

This is the first time writing in a Forum, so hello everybody. Im planning to get married in my fiance's country, then come back to Canada together. He holds a Multiple entry visa for a year, his first time in Canada was for two months (Dec 2010 - Jan 2011) We are planning to marry in April 2011 and be back by the end of that month... so here are my questions:
1. do we pass together at the Port of Entry?
2. do I speak first (canadian citizen) and handle both passports?
3. do we tell the IO that we are married (marriage certificate in hand)?
4. or we pass separated, him first?
5. and ... how we present our case so he can enter Canada and then proceed to apply for a PR...

We want to apply for the inland form, we dont want to lie, and ya we dont want to lie.

Looking forward to your suggestions and overviews on this matter... thank you so much,
Dee

 

[rjessome]

Are you entering by land or by air? If by air, you can proceed through immigration as a couple or separately. It doesn't matter which.

Don't lie. It will only hurt you in the long run. Answer what is asked, nothing more.

Is it a multiple entry VISITOR's visa or does he have a work or study permit as well?

Why do you want to do an inland application? Outland is usually faster depending on the country of nationality.

I think you need to provide a little more detail before thorough answers can be provided.

 

[canadiancitizen]

Hello rjessome, thank you for your reply and info...
we are arriving by air
so, if we passed as a couple, then what do we say
Scenario 1: hi we handle our passports, he asks why do you go to SA, and to him why are you coming for?
Scenario 2: I go alone, and I say I went to visit my husband? nope my fiance right who by the time I''m answering will be my husband...
Scenario 2: He goes alone and says that he come to visit ME: wife...
BTW when he got his visa he was invited by my sister and brother in law to come and visit them... not me... so the purspose of the first visit was not a dual Intent.
Scenario 3: what if he the IO starts asking more questions... then what...
He holds a visitors multiple entry visa for a year period
Inland application seems the best for us since Pretoria, SA is taking 17 month to deal with sponsorships and we dont want to be separated anymore.
so the last question, if the IO gets the info that we are husband and wife, can he deny him the entry to CA, allthough he is my legal husband?
Thank you again for your kind attention

Dee

 

[rjessome]

Hello rjessome, thank you for your reply and info...
we are arriving by air
so, if we passed as a couple, then what do we say
Scenario 1: hi we handle our passports, he asks why do you go to SA, and to him why are you coming for?
Scenario 2: I go alone, and I say I went to visit my husband? nope my fiance right who by the time I''m answering will be my husband...
Scenario 2: He goes alone and says that he come to visit ME: wife...
BTW when he got his visa he was invited by my sister and brother in law to come and visit them... not me... so the purspose of the first visit was not a dual Intent.
Scenario 3: what if he the IO starts asking more questions... then what...
He holds a visitors multiple entry visa for a year period
Inland application seems the best for us since Pretoria, SA is taking 17 month to deal with sponsorships and we dont want to be separated anymore.
so the last question, if the IO gets the info that we are husband and wife, can he deny him the entry to CA, allthough he is my legal husband?
Thank you again for your kind attention

Dee

You could just be honest and tell them you intend to sponsor him. You could pay the fees and show them the receipt, get the medical done in SA and show them that, the police clearance, etc. He might go to secondary screening but there is an excellent chance that they will let him in even though they might limit the amount of time. But then once here, he can always apply for an extension to his visitor record through Vegreville. In fact, you probably want to ask for a visitor record.

Look, others will give you different advice. But I say take the bull by the horns and confront it face on. He can also show bank statements and proof of funds that he has money to sustain himself. You can provide information about your ability to support him while he's here. And one final piece of advice just in case the worse scenario happens, have the business card of an immigration consultant or lawyer in your pocket whom you can call to go to the airport and provide help IF they say he is not allowed to enter even after you have provided all that I have suggested above. A good offence is the best defence. Or as the Girl Guides/Boy Scouts say, "Be prepared".

 

[Baloo]

Or as the Girl Guides/Boy Scouts say, "Be prepared".

So true, it is very good advice to EVERYONE.

 

[canadiancitizen]

Thank you rjessome really appreciate your advise, I will start then the process before April... thank you again.

 

[RobsLuv]

I'm confused. Just wondering how this works at a port-of-entry when someone has a multiple entry visa? I always thought that meant that they were approved to come to Canada - because, it is a TRV, right . . . just for multiple entries? So then why would they have to do all the stuff at the POE that those of us who are visa-exempt usually have to do to prove that we intend to go back, etc?

If someone could explain the difference to me, I'd appreciate it.

 

[Huron]

I'm confused. Just wondering how this works at a port-of-entry when someone has a multiple entry visa? I always thought that meant that they were approved to come to Canada - because, it is a TRV, right . . . just for multiple entries? So then why would they have to do all the stuff at the POE that those of us who are visa-exempt usually have to do to prove that we intend to go back, etc?

If someone could explain the difference to me, I'd appreciate it.

When we received the multiple entry TRV for my spouse it came with a card that among others things says:

“When you arrive in Canada the officer at the port of entry will determine whether you may enter Canada and how long you may stay. You must leave Canada on or before the date set by the officer or have your status extended by an officer in Canada”

A visa or TRV does not guarantee your entry into Canada.

 

[bonbon9]

I've entered Canada twice on my multiple entry visa. The officers did ask me the reason for my stay, how long I was staying, etc. They were pretty friendly actually and didn't ask me to show any additional documents to prove my stay was temporary, but I still brought documents in case I was asked. Just like Huron said, the multiple entry visa comes with a card warning you that it is the port of entry officer's decision to let you through, and to bring all the documentation that you sent to get the multiple TRV to show it at the POE if requested by the officer.
From my experience, the officers didn't question me that much. On my first entry, I said I was visiting my boyfriend, and the officer actually asked me why I was staying for such a short time. Maybe seeing the fresh visa on the passport reassures them that the embassy already bothered questioning you enough.

 

[canadiancitizen]

Thank you Robrod for your answer. Thats was my major concern when entering Canada, Dual Intent is one of the major spousal PR refulsals, 'cause that form is always handle on board and they really insist on "one form per family", if we walk with different forms, to me... we are fooling them, therefore they could easily say (if my husband get cuestioned or me) why you didnt fill a one form... anyhow... Im still waiting for Leon's opinion or 2 cents .... but so far, I'm more and more inclined to follow Robrod's advise... to me that's commom sense.

Have a great day...

Dee