QUEBEC APPLICANTS LETS SHARE EXPERIENCE

[proreo]

Thanks Ketevan very much! Truly

 

[Ketevan]

Welcome, proreo

Thanks Ketevan very much! Truly

 

[lemans207]

I find exaggerated the last sentence. After 6 months of fruitless job hunting in my field, I am still working in call centre and half of my team has IT degrees from Quebec universities. And we are all fully fluent in French. I can understand that my British PhD is nothing in the eyes of Canadian employers, but I cannot understand why the same applies to their own degrees.

Besides, 1500$ a month is too much unless you want to eat in restaurant every night. I am paying 540$ for one-bed flat close to downtown montreal (all included), 77$ for transport pass, 100$ for telecom bills, and 300$ for food.

The reality is that job prospects for highly qualified professionals are very poor for immigrants no matter how fluent french is. The job offers are not even transparent in terms of criteria. I got a rejection yesterday from university where applied for teaching assistant. They said I did not satisfy the requirements of the university syndicate. What the hell? The job advert did not mention anything about syndicate. How I am supposed to satisfy something I do not know?

Immediately upon landing we (99% of immigrants) are dragged into a swamp of dead-end jobs. The two ways out of dead end jobs are: 1. Get a vocational diploma in an on-demand lower-level skill (assistant nurse, accounting clerk, secretary) and get a job immediately (the employment rate is almost 100% for vocational diploma holders). 2. Become autonomous worker (like insurance or real estate agent) or small business owner.

in this case I will become stripper ;D

 

[proreo]

in this case I will become stripper ;D

Don't know your field, but could you become a contractor? I work in an IT field and 1/4 of all workers here are contractors. Maybe it's the same in Quebec?

 

[lemans207]

I find exaggerated the last sentence. After 6 months of fruitless job hunting in my field, I am still working in call centre and half of my team has IT degrees from Quebec universities. And we are all fully fluent in French. I can understand that my British PhD is nothing in the eyes of Canadian employers, but I cannot understand why the same applies to their own degrees.

Besides, 1500$ a month is too much unless you want to eat in restaurant every night. I am paying 540$ for one-bed flat close to downtown montreal (all included), 77$ for transport pass, 100$ for telecom bills, and 300$ for food.

The reality is that job prospects for highly qualified professionals are very poor for immigrants no matter how fluent french is. The job offers are not even transparent in terms of criteria. I got a rejection yesterday from university where applied for teaching assistant. They said I did not satisfy the requirements of the university syndicate. What the hell? The job advert did not mention anything about syndicate. How I am supposed to satisfy something I do not know?

Immediately upon landing we (99% of immigrants) are dragged into a swamp of dead-end jobs. The two ways out of dead end jobs are: 1. Get a vocational diploma in an on-demand lower-level skill (assistant nurse, accounting clerk, secretary) and get a job immediately (the employment rate is almost 100% for vocational diploma holders). 2. Become autonomous worker (like insurance or real estate agent) or small business owner.

you moved to new house then, is it also studio? that's the point number 2. I'll never leave uae until I know ill be able to have my own business in quebec, in other words retirement.
but in addition to my IT super skills , I am managing huge chemical factories, the systems and its Canadian systems, from montreal too.
that would be advantage I think,

 

[adi22]

Titoualfruk I am taking French conversation courses, its my 3rd month now, to be ready for Quebec storms
Mostly will end by establishing small business there.

but for your info that quebec will try to get you job, will pay you monthly $$$ if your jobless, not as you landed to france, the difference ull be treated as Canadian, different case, but no doubt not easy.

I want to add info about French, if someone tries to watch French movie, will not understand most of words, because its different from what we learn in schools.
my aunt was in Montreal on 1985, she left after 1 year, she told me that she wasn't understanding their French though she is French educated.

the most what I am worry, you need about 1500$ /months as single x 12 months = 18000$ and 36000$ for 2 years jobless.
we will spend our all in the land of dreams.

but note, technical professions will never find problem hunting jobs

It's just a language for god's sake, how can that be measured as a skill to assess if someone is a potential immigrant or not. Every body seeks better opportunity and that's the reason why we are ready to live our country for better prospects.

And even if someone is using Quebec as backdoor for Canada than what's harm. Some who apply for canada federal skill may also use Canada as backdoor to enter USA. Anyways, Quebec is province of Canada.

As I said before, if Quebec want's potential immigrants to live in their province than create job opportunities for English speakers and french speakers both. Learning French can prove to be asset but not considered as priority.

Imagine those who have taken steps to learn french and complete A2/B1 from scratch while doing their job and managing their families. By this change in rules had an an impact of majority.

I think if they continue with such strategies where language is considered important over skills than very soon the decline will happen in Quebec economy.

 

[mina_888]

very thank you for your comments and advices i will make a plane depend on your opinions and will continue in french till reach B2
but let us see the exact new problem

my points in old rules was 55 became 41 in new rules !!
if they give me 18 months to reach B2B2 and i success in that

the AOT points 6 points for chemist
what about AOT at this time i will be more than 5 years graduated
i am chemist graduated may 2009
and not worked in my specialist from 1/2010
as my experience in other field far from my specialist !!
will i take the AOT points as the date of send my file or the date of studying it ??!
i send my file after 4 years of graduate
and the preliminary examination will be after 5 years of graduate so what will occour Huh

the AOT points gived according to which date Huh
- date of recevied file ??
- date of file number given ??
- or date of preliminary examination ??
this is a new big problem for me coz if they make preliminary examination of my file after a year when i send my update with B2B2
at this time i will be graduated from over 5 years and not worked
Chemist " my specialist "
i need advices to know what to do
thnx for all people here :'( :'(

hey ...!!
would any one help me and give me advices and fedback about the date they depend on ??
the AOT points gived according to which date Huh
- date of recevied file ??
- date of file number given ??
- or date of preliminary examination ??

 

[mdammalli]

When talking about number of years you must take the overall length of education into account. Some countries have 12, some 13. IMO that's why you can have 3 or 4 year Bachelor studies.

I hope you'll get the points for C.Engineering and not only for C.Science. If there is an order of C.Engineers in QC, they will probably make you join them first.

Good luck!

There is no difference between Computer science/ Computer Engineering / Information science.. etc

From Indian education system perspective, If any one of the degree mentioned above is an engineering course(BE/BTech -4yrs after 12th std) then it will fetch 12 points, else it will fetch only 6 points for non engineering courses like BSc(3yrs after 12th std)

 

[DebR]

I find exaggerated the last sentence. After 6 months of fruitless job hunting in my field, I am still working in call centre and half of my team has IT degrees from Quebec universities. And we are all fully fluent in French. I can understand that my British PhD is nothing in the eyes of Canadian employers, but I cannot understand why the same applies to their own degrees.

Besides, 1500$ a month is too much unless you want to eat in restaurant every night. I am paying 540$ for one-bed flat close to downtown montreal (all included), 77$ for transport pass, 100$ for telecom bills, and 300$ for food.

The reality is that job prospects for highly qualified professionals are very poor for immigrants no matter how fluent french is. The job offers are not even transparent in terms of criteria. I got a rejection yesterday from university where applied for teaching assistant. They said I did not satisfy the requirements of the university syndicate. What the hell? The job advert did not mention anything about syndicate. How I am supposed to satisfy something I do not know?

Immediately upon landing we (99% of immigrants) are dragged into a swamp of dead-end jobs. The two ways out of dead end jobs are: 1. Get a vocational diploma in an on-demand lower-level skill (assistant nurse, accounting clerk, secretary) and get a job immediately (the employment rate is almost 100% for vocational diploma holders). 2. Become autonomous worker (like insurance or real estate agent) or small business owner.

Dear Ketevan,

Thanks for the real scenario field there. But i think if anyone get degree / diplomas from their institution and studies in their educational system, why should they suffer? Its really a bad things that some IT degree holders are working in your center where as Computer Engineering and Information technology is the high demandable professional in QC now a days. But it's also true that everyone cannot reach to their goal. But it's also true that one should straggle hardly and after couple of years he or she will reach in a good position.

One of my college, who is an Architect had gone to Australia last year, but he has returned back just 1 month ago due to lack of job, but he has said that IT has a huge possibilities in Australia. And so far I know that this field has a huge opportunity in each developed country.

Lets think about Lemans, I think he has a great opportunity in QC as a network engineer. His current job also help him to do so. But it's also true that it may take time.

But as you are residing there for few months already, you have the better idea about the job market rather then me. So please give us the real information always like this. Thus we can keep update. Thanks again for your helpful information.

 

[Ketevan]

It is a 2 1/2, it has a separate kitchen with corridor and a separate room.

you moved to new house then, is it also studio? that's the point number 2. I'll never leave uae until I know ill be able to have my own business in quebec, in other words retirement.
but in addition to my IT super skills , I am managing huge chemical factories, the systems and its Canadian systems, from montreal too.
that would be advantage I think,

 

[swamik]

Ok so i am English
I live in France
I have an English speaking job
I Work for a French company

I am not the only person in an English speaking post.

All of our contracts, salary slips, paperwork, communications, telephone calls ect are allways ALLWAYS in French.

I already got screwed over with my contract because of my French level!!!

Dont we have any success stories for English people in France. I dont think it may be because of your french level but because of the profile match you have with your job...I have many of my known friends in Europe who were successful in establishing themselves without the respective language knowledge.

swamik... francophonie 77 countries, i got to know 77 since francophone olympic games in Nice France, correct me if wrong/

for your info, the people from the following countries know well french,spanish italian, swiss(french) luxamburg (french) belguim (french)
romania francophone, hungary they know french, +++++

maroc, algerie tunis liban syrie some egypt.

they lost economic importance because they want to separate only

I do not know how you arrived at 77 countries as francophone, The native speakers are 75 million, and its one of the official languages in around 25 countries, also, if you check the places where there is a French presence, from the map

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New-Map-Francophone_World.PNG

you can notice that, most of the french speakers are from West Africa, Middle east and Central Europe. Quebec requires more people than what these areas can offer. With the varied industries, we require varied skills, and with the population dwindling, they require more baby boomer, and with a multi cultural society they will end up with few choices and hence reduced intake, which will impact on the GDP of Quebec. Also, you have to check the source of immigrants to Canada and Quebec. Swiss, Luxemberg, Belgium and even France will never be a great source of immigrant to Quebec. And many people are well off being in France, I am not generalizing it, but definitely the source of immigrants from France had come down in recent years..

Again, do you think, people would have moved out of Quebec, even if there had been no imposition of French.. Well, its not true, Quebec is a beautiful province, rich in resources, well maintained harbor, and great source of natural water, who bothers whether Quebec is a separate nation or not, it can be self sustaining being a separate nation. People feared for being affected because of francization.

 

[swamik]

23,6% to be précise as of the 2011 census, Bearing in mind a margin of error of +- 3% GDP and population this makes GDP in line with population percentage without calculating the oercentage of people who have retired.

When ALL factors are taken into account GDP and demographic are close. Need to take into account that the 23,6 % population are all of working age... I could get the exact demographic and do the analysis but really can't be bothered... Your statement rest false and ill informed

You should see the history of Quebec economy, it was much ahead of Ontario. BC and Alberta were negligible.. And recently you can notice a huge gap between QC and ON, and I believe BC will overtake Quebec soon, its all because of the language fear in QC. This will affect more native English speakers and hence the change...Note that whether English is powerful or not, but its because the worlds biggest market US speak English, and that is the reason why these areas flourishes...

 

[khan123]

The table is in GPI-3-1... basically they do not consider DELF A2 as an A2 if scores are below 16... only an A1.

Page 45 in this:

http://www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.qc.ca/dynamicSearch/telecharge.php?type=7&file=GPI-3-1.pdf

Hi Oszi

Thanks for answering my all the queries. The following two lines are kinda contradictory (at least for me). Can you please clarify. Since, I've 47 w/o french (single applicant) and u know my DELF A2's condition. Am I still in with the shout, or shall I withdraw?

“Si le requérant principal (avec conjoint) est référé seul en francisation, une note minimale de 47 points est requise à l'ensemble des facteurs de la grille excluant le facteur Adaptabilité”

Translation: "If the principal applicant (with spouse) referred only in French language , a minimum score of 47 points is required for all factors of the grid excluding Adaptability factor"

&

“Aucune référence en francisation ne peut être faite en dessous du niveau de compétence 4 de l'Échelle québécoise qui doit être obtenu pour chacune des competences”

Translation: "No reference Francization can be made below the level of competence 4 Scale Quebec must be obtained for each competency"

 

[Titoualfruk]

So on a completely different note, anyone know of any comapnies in Quebec that offer professinal CV writing services in English and French?

I could always write one in english but in French... FAIL lol

 

[proreo]

So on a completely different note, anyone know of any comapnies in Quebec that offer professinal CV writing services in English and French?

I could always write one in english but in French... FAIL lol

I think there are some 'companies', who can do it for free. If you are a PR you have a lot of opportunities as there is a lot of organisations giving help.
Try google