For PNP applicants - questions about layoffs & notifying province

[sandeep.kumar]

What do you guys think Is there any chance to get PR in this situation? whereas the company lays off employees without any notice.

 

[RoxRayExpress]

What do you guys think Is there any chance to get PR in this situation? whereas the company lays off employees without any notice.

I honestly don't know of any cases similar to yours but I'd love to know how things work out. Really do wish you all the best in this. I know it has to be super stressful

 

[tanny_ca]

If you got portal 1 then you've crossed the finish line. They generally can't cancel your application now, even if you've lost your job. I'm pretty sure you'll get eCOPR soon and anything SINP sends you won't matter because you'll be a permanent resident.

for people who applied PNP (through Express Entry) and had passed MED/BIO/eligibility, and just stuck in security screening (SS can be a delay of 2-3 years), if they lost the employment during this significant delay, and they are not able to secure a job within 45 days granted by SINP, would that impact their PR application?

 

[canuck78]

for people who applied PNP (through Express Entry) and had passed MED/BIO/eligibility, and just stuck in security screening (SS can be a delay of 2-3 years), if they lost the employment during this significant delay, and they are not able to secure a job within 45 days granted by SINP, would that impacted their PR application?

Yes it will impact if your application is based on having employment/job offer.

 

[tanny_ca]

Yes it will impact if your application is based on having employment/job offer.

(correct me if this is not right) almost all of the (inland) SINP have the employment restriction.
would be quite stressful during that significant SS delay.

 

[canuck78]

(correct me if this is not right) almost all of the (inland) SINP have the employment restriction.
would be quite stressful during that significant SS delay.

Yes. The province typically does give you a chance to find another job but the whole point is to select people who work in SK.

 

[tanny_ca]

Yes. The province typically does give you a chance to find another job but the whole point is to select people who work in SK.

the thing is, the SS lasts so long that ppl have to extend their wp as a close work permit (cuz nomination letter has employment restriction)

and with such close work permit, if being laid off, searching for the next employer who is willing to sponsor a new close work permit would be extremely challenging, cuz the job market are full of candidates, the employer won't have the patience to wait for the new close work permit to be granted (the processing time is around 4 months now)

this is miserable. once the SINP candidates is laid off and the PR application is still under extended security screening, their PR is almost gone.

 

[sandeep.kumar]

the thing is, the SS lasts so long that ppl have to extend their wp as a close work permit (cuz nomination letter has employment restriction)

and with such close work permit, if being laid off, searching for the next employer who is willing to sponsor a new close work permit would be extremely challenging, cuz the job market are full of candidates, the employer won't have the patience to wait for the new close work permit to be granted (the processing time is around 4 months now)

this is miserable. once the SINP candidates is laid off and the PR application is still under extended security screening, their PR is almost gone.

I am in the same situation. I am on a close work permit and now one is ready to offer a job.

 

[tanny_ca]

I am in the same situation. I am on a close work permit and now one is ready to offer a job.

Congratulations! That’s very good to know!
May I know how many months does the SINP gives to us to search for a new job and does it affect the PR processing?

the comprehensive security screening usually lasts around 2 years.. as long as you are not falling into this screening, you should be good !

again, congratulations! that’s the best news i’ve ever heard today!

 

[sandeep.kumar]

Congratulations! That’s very good to know!
May I know how many months does the SINP gives to us to search for a new job and does it affect the PR processing?

the comprehensive security screening usually lasts around 2 years.. as long as you are not falling into this screening, you should be good !

again, congratulations! that’s the best news i’ve ever heard today!

It depends, for me, they gave me an initial 45 days then 2 extra extensions of another 45 days.

 

[tanny_ca]

It depends, for me, they gave me an initial 45 days then 2 extra extensions of another 45 days.

thanks for the information! that’s very helpful!

 

[RoxRayExpress]

I'd like to thank everyone (esp @legalfalcon) for taking the time to respond. I believe it is the case that in ALL of the PNP scheme, nominees are required to disclose changes to their job including termination/layoff etc. This is non-negotiable for all provinces as far as I can see. And if in doubt, DO IT ANYWAY!

To add to this, I spoke with SINP and here's how it went.

In relation to questions 1 & 4 from my original post: The concern here isn't about what to disclose, but when. If your employer tells you today (20 January 2023): "Hey buddy, I'm letting you go. I'll give you 30 days (let's say 20 February 2023) to finish up." - in this case, you would notify the province on 20 February that your job has been terminated. That's because it's legally the date your job is ending, so no need to give the province a head start on starting the "clock" if you find a new job.

Tip: Negotiate as hard with your employer as you can to extend this termination date, ask them to give you AS MANY days as possible, push it to 2, 3, 4 months if you can. Ask if you can go on unpaid leave for parts of it so you can work on finding a new job.

WHEN you notify the province, at least in the case of SK, you will get 45 days to find a new job. The GOOD news is your Federal PR application won't be "put on hold." IRCC will keep processing it, and it could be the case that with the time you've bought yourself, you get PR before you found a new job (especially if you're struggling).

It's if you DON'T DISCLOSE it you'll be in deep shit, because IRCC can ask you for paystubs/employment letter at any time. And at that stage if it is discovered you hid this from the province, you can be assured the province will terminate your certificate and ban you from their program, and your PR application and dreams to stay in Canada will become dust. And if you did disclose it and IRCC asks for your pay/letter, and you say you lost your job, IRCC will redirect to the province to check if you disclosed it and if they want to keep supporting the nomination.

In relation to question 2: SINP was very vague, other to say they'll first give you 45-days to find a new job. I mean, the last several jobs I had took 2-3 months to get, so I'm not sure how you get a skilled job in that amount of time. They said if you can't find in 45 days, you have to ask for an extension and then we enter a grey era. We don't know how much additional time they'll give, and how many extension requests they grant.

They also said they prefer if you found a job in the same NOC as what you had as "it's easier for us to process", but that's not to say you couldn't get a job in another NOC. How a case processing officer treats that... I don't know.

In relation to question 3: It appears to be the case that this stuff is very strict. Basically:

• If you lose your job despite getting AOR/PAL/MP, and you come across a situation where you lost a job and can't find a new one in time, the province (at least SK) will cancel your certificate. I think this is very harsh if the job market becomes difficult.
• If you lose your job AFTER getting portal (let's say you get fired straight away for something, but get portal, but not ECOPR) then..., agent tells me it's "complicated" but you still need to tell the province. Hence we always tell people to not leave jobs until ECOPR.

Note above is my best understanding from speaking to a phone agent, and whether it comes from an agent or an SINP email it cannot be 100% relied upon due to the complexities of immigration law.

As falcon said, all of this is a very grey zone and "it depends" is totally right.

I recently lost my job and informed SINP. They gave 45 days to find a job but so worried because the letter they sent says that the nomination will be placed on hold. I called and spoke with an agent who did not seem very confident in her responses. She said the PR application will also be put on hold. How true is this?

 

[RoxRayExpress]

I'm in the process of figuring some of this out. Does anyone know if you have to notify both IRCC and the nominating province, or just the province?

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What's your situation? I have been trying to figure that out too. So far I've only told SINP but I realized that when they sent me the letter to tell me I have 45 days to find another job, I also noticed an update on my tracker to say "we received the information you sent to is...." but I didn't send them anything. I'm guessing that's the SINP notifying IRCC but not sure.

 

[tanny_ca]

If a person holding a closed work permit for Company A is laid off and finds a new employer (Company B) willing to sponsor a new closed work permit, can they start working for Company B immediately after submitting the application, or must they wait several months until the new work permit is approved?

 

[canuck78]

If a person holding a closed work permit for Company A is laid off and finds a new employer (Company B) willing to sponsor a new closed work permit, can they start working for Company B immediately after submitting the application, or must they wait several months until the new work permit is approved?

Need a new WP.