April 2025 - Citizenship Applications

[@Canada]

I leave it up to the judgment of the applicant. Again, context here is a citizenship app, where not trying to prove specific experience.

I've no objection - to be clear - to applicants adding additional info, but I don't think it adds much. Main thing on a form where periods of principal activity are expected to be successive (and not overlap) - is to list the correct principal employment for each period.

As for your timelines above - no idea what your algebra means but don't think it's critical.

Appreciate your opnion. But based on feedback I receive from all sorts of sources.And I see in form about our work and education history for the past 5 years. It clearly asks for all activites and tabs when we enter our working/edu history automatically sequence it self based on year input so yes, it does matter from our end to mention everything as the section specifically states ALL records so. This is what my opnion

 

[armoured]

Appreciate your opnion. But based on feedback I receive from all sorts of sources.And I see in form about our work and education history for the past 5 years. It clearly asks for all activites and tabs when we enter our working/edu history automatically sequence it self based on year input so yes, it does matter from our end to mention everything as the section specifically states ALL records so. This is what my opnion

Do what you like.

 

[naveens007]

Type: Online application
Location: Toronto, ON
Physical Presence Days: 1121
Application: Myself with minor
Application sent: 02-April-2025
Delivered: Online
AOR: Pending
Test: Pending

 

[naveens007]

Type: Online application
Location: Toronto, ON
Physical Presence Days: 1121
Application: Myself with minor
Application sent: 02-April-2025
Delivered: Online
AOR: Pending
Test: Pending

Any 2nd April applicants who got AOR?

 

[King_Khan]

Type: Online application
Location: SK
Physical Presence Days: 1106
Application: 2 Persons
Application sent: 02-April-2025
Delivered: Online
AOR: Pending

 

[King_Khan]

Any 2nd April applicants who got AOR?

5 April got AOR on May 1

 

[abdullahbajwa]

Type: Online application
Location: Vancouver, BC
Physical Presence Days: 1103.5
Application: Myself with minor
Application sent: 01-April-2025
Delivered: Online
AOR: 30-April-2025
Test: Pending

Hi folks,
I got AOR today
I tried to register status tracker account but "client's application is not yet in our system yet"

Congrats, by the way how come you have 0.5 days (1103.5) in your physical presence?

 

[abff08f4813c]

Congrats, by the way how come you have 0.5 days (1103.5) in your physical presence?

Yeah, I think OP has a minor misunderstanding and is counting a day that was half in and half out of Canada (so in Canada for 12 hours) as .5, when actually the partial day should count as a full day. So it probably is 1104 days.

 

[abdullahbajwa]

Type: Online application
Location: Brampton, ON
Physical Presence Days: 1320.5 and 1107
Application: Myself and wife (Total Family of 2)
Application sent: 02-April-2025
Delivered: Online
AOR: Pending
Test: Pending

Please suggest ,How come physical presence days have 0.5 ( 1320.5) generally it is full day as per calculator.

 

[abdullahbajwa]

Yeah, I think OP has a minor misunderstanding and is counting a day that was half in and half out of Canada (so in Canada for 12 hours) as .5, when actually the partial day should count as a full day. So it probably is 1104 days.

Even 01 hour within canada during travel day is considered full day as per calculator. We can only put dates for physical calculator not the duration. You have probably added temporary resident days in your presence?

 

[abff08f4813c]

Even 01 hour within canada during travel day is considered full day as per calculator. We can only put dates for physical calculator not the duration. You have probably added temporary resident days in your presence?

Ah, I forgot about that. You're probably right then - if that number came from the official calculator (rather than OP doing a manual calculation as I assumed) then OP likely has an odd number of days counted from times as a temporary resident document holder, so the .5 is for a full day as a temporary resident.

 

[abff08f4813c]

Appreciate your opnion. But based on feedback I receive from all sorts of sources.And I see in form about our work and education history for the past 5 years. It clearly asks for all activites and tabs when we enter our working/edu history automatically sequence it self based on year input so yes, it does matter from our end to mention everything as the section specifically states ALL records so. This is what my opnion

So I thought this was worth expounding a bit further. Like you I also recently used the online application and so am familiar with it (as opposed to some knowledgable folks who did this, but in a long time away).

That is indeed what the application says. But if you look at the relevant law, https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-29/page-2.html#docCont (see the "Grant of Citizenship" section, aka section 5) then it lays out what's required. So the bits about needing to be a permanent resident, not under a removal order, having the 1095 days, etc are all there - there's nothing in there about being required to disclosure every place of employment or every educational course taken.

Section 27 of the same act ( https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29/section-27.html ) - specifically 27.1.d, 27.1.d(1),(2),(3) - does point out that some of these matters may be specified by regulation instead. So let's check out the current regulations.

Looking at the grant of citizenship section of the citizenship regulations, https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/Regulations/SOR-93-246/page-1.html#h-952080 , again there's nothing about having to disclose these kind of things.

The closest that I can find is section 15 of the Citizenship Act - https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29/section-15.html - which basically just says that we have an obligation to answer everything truthfully. I understand this to mean no misrepresentation.

This has been previously explained on the forum - see https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...etails-on-the-citizenship-application.734678/ but (as I believe armoured has already pointed out) the reason the application even bothers to ask about activities is mostly just to help confirm one's physical presence in Canada. So if you did omit something, as long as the answers are still truthful, there's not really a grounds to deny citizenship.

Do what you like.

I do think it's worth keeping an eye on though, in case interpretations change.

 

[armoured]

The closest that I can find is section 15 of the Citizenship Act - https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29/section-15.html - which basically just says that we have an obligation to answer everything truthfully. I understand this to mean no misrepresentation.

I'm not really worried whether anyone wants to dsclose in more detail than I think is necessary. It is just my opinion.

But as for the misrepresentation aspect: there is a basic background concept here of materiality. I'm not going to try to write an academic law textbook chapter on this, so let's just simplify and say it has to be relevant to the inquiries they're making, and important enough that it might conceivably change the way someone evaluating the file is going to approach it (not just what the final decision is but the way they evaluate the file and the depth of work they may put into evaluating it). [I suspect there may also have to be some determination of intent but that alone is a complex topic.]

And this is where it gets into subjectivity and the judgment of the applicant. We can all imagine occasional work or activities that almost anyone looking at the file would say is not worthy of disclosure - someone giving occasional tennis lessons, getting small fees for giving a lecture, your part-time clown show for disadvantaged kids, etc. Personally I think most part-time work falls into this, and indeed most ... what I'll call non-principal activity. The main purpose of providing this info is met, and there are few (IMO) plausible reasons to think the info about other activities is material in the context of the citizenship app.

That said: there are some that might be relevant and need to be disclosed. See my (somewhat) facetious hypothetical of part-time employment for a foreign intelligence agency. Hide that and they might use the misrepresentation angle.

Being in the reserve of the Canadian Forces might be worth disclosing, esp if there have been any deployments - not that 'hiding' it would likely be an issue, on the contrary, would let IRCC check some things about presence in Canada. (Yes, there might be cases where it's to the applicant's advantage to provide some of this 'extra' info).

Where does someone's specific example fall? As indicated, I don't think most need to be disclosed, but applicants can decide it any way they wish. In many other contexts I recommend maximum disclosure (just to avoid potential misrepresentation). In this case, I don't - and I think a lot of the 'noise' about this in various internet forums and chat groups etc are getting people wound up about (mostly) nothing. I think it's mostly exaggerated.

But let each applicant use their own judgment. And hopefully stress about it less. If providing what I think is 'too much' info makes you feel better - find, no skin off my nose.

 

[scylla]

Please suggest ,How come physical presence days have 0.5 ( 1320.5) generally it is full day as per calculator.

This would be pre-PR days which only count a 1/2 day towards the requirement.

 

[Bica]

Congrats, by the way how come you have 0.5 days (1103.5) in your physical presence?

I have work permit before getting PR, so only half could be counted during WP.