April 2025 - Citizenship Applications

[abff08f4813c]

I really appreciate your feedback!. But when you mention about being in situation of overlapping work durations. Are you still in process?.

Yes I am.

I somewhat disagree with @abff (etc).

Or in contdxt of these questions:
-I don't think this first/second employer stuff is relevant at all. Just show which employer you worked at full-time in each period. Whether you were 'on leave' from the first employer or not during the interim is irrelevant.

You're probably right - my general impression from what others on this forum have said is that IRCC doesn't much care on the specifics of what we're doing, as long as we're doing it inside of Canada.

This case is a bit confused because there's two full-time employment jobs happening. Now, the first employer is still the principal employer since the second one didn't work out and was so short - but it was still full-time and will be known from CRA records as a T4 had to be filed and all that.

This is less of a big deal but I'm also noting that the second employment is also going to add an extra level of security here in this specific instance. IRCC and CBSA records should confirm that OP was physically in Canada during the time on leave from the first employer - but if there was somehow any doubt, the fact that OP was physically in Canada working for the second employer during that time period would be additional evidence in favour of OP being in Canada.

-If you were working full time and started an education program in your off time but then dropped it - not relevant.

Use your judgment.

Agreed. Though, OP doesn't say if this program was started during or covered any leave periods from the principal employer, for which the same reasoning as above could apply. But ultimately OP needs to use OP's own judgement.

 

[TheInterceptor]

Type: Online application
Location: Toronto, ON
Physical Presence Days: 1099
Application: Myself with minor
Application sent: 01-April-2025
Delivered: Online
AOR: May - 01
Test: Pending

 

[armoured]

You're probably right - my general impression from what others on this forum have said is that IRCC doesn't much care on the specifics of what we're doing, as long as we're doing it inside of Canada.

I think providing the correct employer allows for checks incl against T4 / other tax reports. What was overthinking here is the idea that leaving one employer, working somewhere else, and then returning to it is something that would bother IRCC. They don't care, and it's really not that unusual anyway.

This case is a bit confused because there's two full-time employment jobs happening. Now, the first employer is still the principal employer since the second one didn't work out and was so short - but it was still full-time and will be known from CRA records as a T4 had to be filed and all that.

I rather assumed the 'leave' was unpaid leave, but at any rate - I'd put employment for any period at any employer that was full-time as the principal activity (disclosed on the table in the form). The rest of the details here - well, up to the poster to use judgment, since not clear to me if this was while on paid leave (in which case there was a T4 for that period), and how long it was (if the time with the second employer was very short, perhaps not worth disclosing).

Main thing is that I thnk the worry about potentially leaving something out here is overblown - while I'm all for disclosure, part-time activities like education aren't much of an issue. (May be supportive in some cases, so - judgment).

 

[abff08f4813c]

I rather assumed the 'leave' was unpaid leave

I think I made the opposite assumption, which explains the discrepancy.

Furthermore, I have more experience with the "start A at X, start B at X+3 years, leave A at X+3years&8weeks, leave B at X+7 years" so there are significant amounts of time where A is the primary employer and B is the primary employer - so both should be disclosed, but also a short time where they overlap.

So while we agree that it's not a big deal to leave off some minor part-time things, it seems that it's also not a big deal to report things that are overlapping.

 

[Neyoyo]

Type: Online application
Location: Toronto, ON
Physical Presence Days: 1099
Application: Myself with minor
Application sent: 01-April-2025
Delivered: Online
AOR: May - 01
Test: Pending

Congratulations

 

[divy1990]

Someone from April 4 submission got an AOR.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ImmigrationCanada/comments/1hq3gg4/comment/mq0vbvm

 

[ChanchalArora]

Hi guys, I just applied yesterday. I have one question, What is the difference between Application Submitted and delivered? I saw someone posting 2 different dates for submitted and delivered. Just wanted to know if I am missing something.

 

[armoured]

I think I made the opposite assumption, which explains the discrepancy.

Furthermore, I have more experience with the "start A at X, start B at X+3 years, leave A at X+3years&8weeks, leave B at X+7 years" so there are significant amounts of time where A is the primary employer and B is the primary employer - so both should be disclosed, but also a short time where they overlap.

So while we agree that it's not a big deal to leave off some minor part-time things, it seems that it's also not a big deal to report things that are overlapping.

I leave it up to the judgment of the applicant. Again, context here is a citizenship app, where not trying to prove specific experience.

I've no objection - to be clear - to applicants adding additional info, but I don't think it adds much. Main thing on a form where periods of principal activity are expected to be successive (and not overlap) - is to list the correct principal employment for each period.

As for your timelines above - no idea what your algebra means but don't think it's critical.

 

[tejasmpatel24]

Hi guys, I just applied yesterday. I have one question, What is the difference between Application Submitted and delivered? I saw someone posting 2 different dates for submitted and delivered. Just wanted to know if I am missing something.

If you submitted online then submitted and delivered is the same date, if you submitted on paper then application received is the date IRCC receives the mail with your physical papers

 

[abff08f4813c]

If you submitted online then submitted and delivered is the same date, if you submitted on paper then application received is the date IRCC receives the mail with your physical papers

And submitted then for paper must be the date you "submitted" it - something like when the envelope is postmarked, or perhaps the date you write down when you sign the form?

 

[abff08f4813c]

I leave it up to the judgment of the applicant. Again, context here is a citizenship app, where not trying to prove specific experience.

I've no objection - to be clear - to applicants adding additional info, but I don't think it adds much. Main thing on a form where periods of principal activity are expected to be successive (and not overlap) - is to list the correct principal employment for each period.

As for your timelines above - no idea what your algebra means but don't think it's critical.

So when you say here: "(and not overlap)"

I'll make it clearer with a made up hypothetical example.

Say I'm working for Amazon. I started in Jan 2018, and I'm doing really well. My performance continues to improve, but in March 2020 a new manager comes in. Due to quota, the new manager makes up some stuff and puts me on a PIP (meaning that I'm basically a low performer and on a plan to improve or else let go).


The PIP ends in two months, which is May 2020. But in April I find a new gig working for Microsoft instead. Meanwhile due to a lack of competent folks my skip manager (manager's manager) overrides the PIP and keeps me on for an extra month - providing "working notice" basically, so I don't leave until June 2020.

So timeline is

Dec 2017 - landed as PR
Jan 2018 - start Amazon as principal employer
April 2020 - start Microsoft as secondary employer
June 2020 - leave Amazon as principal employer
Jan 2025 - citizenship application

So, how to fill out the form? How do I honestly and accurately report the start and end dates of each employer without having them overlap? Would you recommend that I say I left Amazon earlier (in April 2020) or that I didn't start Microsoft until later (in June 2020 when they switched from being a secondary to the principal employer) ?

 

[tejasmpatel24]

So when you say here: "(and not overlap)"

I'll make it clearer with a made up hypothetical example.

Say I'm working for Amazon. I started in Jan 2018, and I'm doing really well. My performance continues to improve, but in March 2020 a new manager comes in. Due to quota, the new manager makes up some stuff and puts me on a PIP (meaning that I'm basically a low performer and on a plan to improve or else let go).


The PIP ends in two months, which is May 2020. But in April I find a new gig working for Microsoft instead. Meanwhile due to a lack of competent folks my skip manager (manager's manager) overrides the PIP and keeps me on for an extra month - providing "working notice" basically, so I don't leave until June 2020.

So timeline is

Dec 2017 - landed as PR
Jan 2018 - start Amazon as principal employer
April 2020 - start Microsoft as secondary employer
June 2020 - leave Amazon as principal employer
Jan 2025 - citizenship application

So, how to fill out the form? How do I honestly and accurately report the start and end dates of each employer without having them overlap? Would you recommend that I say I left Amazon earlier (in April 2020) or that I didn't start Microsoft until later (in June 2020 when they switched from being a secondary to the principal employer) ?

I was in a similar situation and let me experiences overlap. I just added the start and end date of each employment as is. (i spoke to IRCC agent about it and this is what they recommended i do)

 

[armoured]

So when you say here: "(and not overlap)"

I'll make it clearer with a made up hypothetical example.

Say I'm working for Amazon. I started in Jan 2018, and I'm doing really well. My performance continues to improve, but in March 2020 a new manager comes in. Due to quota, the new manager makes up some stuff and puts me on a PIP (meaning that I'm basically a low performer and on a plan to improve or else let go).


The PIP ends in two months, which is May 2020. But in April I find a new gig working for Microsoft instead. Meanwhile due to a lack of competent folks my skip manager (manager's manager) overrides the PIP and keeps me on for an extra month - providing "working notice" basically, so I don't leave until June 2020.

So timeline is

Dec 2017 - landed as PR
Jan 2018 - start Amazon as principal employer
April 2020 - start Microsoft as secondary employer
June 2020 - leave Amazon as principal employer
Jan 2025 - citizenship application

So, how to fill out the form? How do I honestly and accurately report the start and end dates of each employer without having them overlap? Would you recommend that I say I left Amazon earlier (in April 2020) or that I didn't start Microsoft until later (in June 2020 when they switched from being a secondary to the principal employer) ?

Up to you. I don't think it matters much. Whereever possible, the full-time one prioritized.

 

[armoured]

I was in a similar situation and let me experiences overlap. I just added the start and end date of each employment as is. (i spoke to IRCC agent about it and this is what they recommended i do)

I thought these particular forms didn't allow overlap of months. If they do, no issue.

 

[abff08f4813c]

I thought these particular forms didn't allow overlap of months. If they do, no issue.

Ah, perhaps that's a recent change then. Like the other poster, I was also able to submit with an overlap of months.