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[yogi44]

....did they say 'secondary school diploma' or POST-Secondary diploma? Because if it's the former, I don't think you can claim any points for it. You would have to go with 'Bachelor's Degree', I think. The 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees...' option refers to POST-secondary credentials. Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

ECA report says "Secondary School Diploma and diploma 2 years".
On CIC website, is there any definition for "Diploma" ? Is it mentioned anywhere on website that according to CIC diploma means post secondary diploma not just secondary school diploma ?

Because on the website http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp at the education question the option states that "Two or more certificates, diplomas or degrees". It never says post secondary diploma. Correct me if i am wrong

 

[crescent_jam]

ECA report says "Secondary School Diploma and diploma 2 years".
On CIC website, is there any definition for "Diploma" ? Is it mentioned anywhere on website that according to CIC diploma means post secondary diploma not just secondary school diploma ?

Because on the website http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp at the education question the option states that "Two or more certificates, diplomas or degrees". It never says post secondary diploma. Correct me if i am wrong

I haven't seen it anywhere specifically, but it's a logical assumption...if secondary diploma (high school graduation) could count as a Diploma for purposes of "Two or more certificates, diplomas or degrees", then the vast majority of persons who have a Bachelor's Degree would be able to claim this education level and the 'Bachelor's Degree' level wouldn't be necessary - most persons who have a Bachelor's Degree will have a secondary diploma as well... This is further underscored by the fact that IRCC doesn't require proof of secondary studies, unless this is your highest attained education level. You only have to upload proof of education level after secondary diplomas, if you've attained a level higher than secondary diplomas (because the assumption is that you would not have progressed to these higher levels if you didn't already have the secondary diploma).

The assumption, therefore, is that the 'Diploma' in the 5th education level (see below), based on a logical progression, can be assumed to be similar to 'Diploma' as outlined in the 3rd and 4rd education levels (the ones that come AFTER 'Secondary diploma (high school graduation)') - "One-year degree, diploma or certificate from a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute" and "Two-year program at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute"

Education Level (based on CRS System)
Level 1 - Less than secondary school (high school)
Level 2 - Secondary diploma (high school graduation)
Level 3 - One-year degree, diploma or certificate from a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute
Level 4 - Two-year program at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute
Level 5 - Bachelor's degree OR a three or more year program at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute
Level 6 - Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees. One must be for a program of three or more years
Level 7 - Master's degree, OR professional degree needed to practice in a licensed profession (For “professional degree,” the degree program must have been in: medicine, veterinary medicine, dentistry, optometry, law, chiropractic medicine, or pharmacy.)
Level 8 - Doctoral level university degree (Ph.D.)

 

[yogi44]

Thanks crescent_jam. I have to say your information is very correct. So tell me one thing, i havent filled the profile in the data base, but when i do this and enter my qualification and enter 'secondary diploma" then i believe system will award me a score and that score would be final. right ? So system will know whether to award me points for secondary diploma or not ?

I haven't seen it anywhere specifically, but it's a logical assumption...if secondary diploma (high school graduation) could count as a Diploma for purposes of "Two or more certificates, diplomas or degrees", then the vast majority of persons who have a Bachelor's Degree would be able to claim this education level and the 'Bachelor's Degree' level wouldn't be necessary - most persons who have a Bachelor's Degree will have a secondary diploma as well...

The assumption, therefore, is that the 'Diploma' in the 5th education level (see below), based on a logical progression, can be assumed to be similar to 'Diploma' as outlined in the 3rd and 4rd education levels (the ones that come AFTER 'Secondary diploma (high school graduation)') - "One-year degree, diploma or certificate from a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute" and "Two-year program at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute"

Education Level (based on CRS System)
Level 1 - Less than secondary school (high school)
Level 2 - Secondary diploma (high school graduation)
Level 3 - One-year degree, diploma or certificate from a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute
Level 4 - Two-year program at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute
Level 5 - Bachelor's degree OR a three or more year program at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute
Level 6 - Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees. One must be for a program of three or more years
Level 7 - Master's degree, OR professional degree needed to practice in a licensed profession (For “professional degree,” the degree program must have been in: medicine, veterinary medicine, dentistry, optometry, law, chiropractic medicine, or pharmacy.)
Level 8 - Doctoral level university degree (Ph.D.)

 

[crescent_jam]

Thanks crescent_jam. I have to say your information is very correct. So tell me one thing, i havent filled the profile in the data base, but when i do this and enter my qualification and enter 'secondary diploma" then i believe system will award me a score and that score would be final. right ? So system will know whether to award me points for secondary diploma or not ?

I believe so - as long as you indicate the levels as specifically outlined by the ECA report, the system should automatically calculate the correct score for you...

So, you stated that your ECA Report stated "Secondary School Diploma and diploma 2 years". (Is this for both credentials or just one?). If it's for both, you would list 'Secondary diploma (high school graduation)' for one credential, and 'Two-year program at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute' for the other.

There has been some debate about how to represent the information in your EE Profile if your assessment is actually 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees....' - the question being whether to put the actual assessment for EACH credential, or whether to list 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees...' for the second credential, because some people have reported that the system calculated Education Level 5, rather than Education Level 6, when they entered, say, 'Bachelor's Degree...' for one, and 'Two-year program..." for the second. But this particular issue is only relevant if the ECA report has provided an assessment of 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees. One must be for a program of three or more years'

Final question though - did you assess your 2 credentials TOGETHER, or separately? If you did it TOGETHER and received one report for both, and your ECA Report summary DIDN'T state 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees. One must be for a program of three or more years', then you can be reasonably certain that you are, unfortunately , not eligible for 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees...'

If you assessed them separately though, and have the money and time to spend, you might want to consider having them evaluated together...I think it sometimes provides a different final result, when the credentials are assessed together...

 

[yogi44]

Hi evaluated both my credentials together and received one report. On the summery it is written that i have equivalent to bachelor degree in Cananda. On the report, i have two assessments. 1st assessment says i have secondary school diploma 2 years. 2nd
assessment says i have a bachelor degree 4 years.

I believe ECA summery only points out to the highest qualification one has acquired.

I have entered my details in the CIC but have not submitted the profile because i have not received the IELTS score card officially.
While entering my information under study and languages, i have entered two rows. For bachelor degree i have mentioned the duration of 3 years and selected bachelor degree under Level of Education option and for my diploma, i have selected the option secondary diploma.

I believe so - as long as you indicate the levels as specifically outlined by the ECA report, the system should automatically calculate the correct score for you...

So, you stated that your ECA Report stated "Secondary School Diploma and diploma 2 years". (Is this for both credentials or just one?). If it's for both, you would list 'Secondary diploma (high school graduation)' for one credential, and 'Two-year program at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute' for the other.

There has been some debate about how to represent the information in your EE Profile if your assessment is actually 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees....' - the question being whether to put the actual assessment for EACH credential, or whether to list 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees...' for the second credential, because some people have reported that the system calculated Education Level 5, rather than Education Level 6, when they entered, say, 'Bachelor's Degree...' for one, and 'Two-year program..." for the second. But this particular issue is only relevant if the ECA report has provided an assessment of 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees. One must be for a program of three or more years'

Final question though - did you assess your 2 credentials TOGETHER, or separately? If you did it TOGETHER and received one report for both, and your ECA Report summary DIDN'T state 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees. One must be for a program of three or more years', then you can be reasonably certain that you are, unfortunately , not eligible for 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees...'

If you assessed them separately though, and have the money and time to spend, you might want to consider having them evaluated together...I think it sometimes provides a different final result, when the credentials are assessed together...

 

[crescent_jam]

Hi evaluated both my credentials together and received one report. On the summery it is written that i have equivalent to bachelor degree in Cananda. On the report, i have two assessments. 1st assessment says i have secondary school diploma 2 years. 2nd
assessment says i have a bachelor degree 4 years.

I believe ECA summery only points out to the highest qualification one has acquired.

I have entered my details in the CIC but have not submitted the profile because i have not received the IELTS score card officially.
While entering my information under study and languages, i have entered two rows. For bachelor degree i have mentioned the duration of 3 years and selected bachelor degree under Level of Education option and for my diploma, i have selected the option secondary diploma.

The ECA Summary is dependent on the organization's overall assessment, when considering both credentials together. I believe I saw on this forum where someone had a Bachelor's assessed as a 1 or 2-year Diploma, and a Master's assessed as a 3-year Bachelor's, and the overall summary was a 4-year Bachelor's.

But if your ECA Summary says Bachelor's Degree, you should be good to go. Just list the 1st credential as equivalent to secondary school diploma, and your 2nd credential as equivalent to Bachelor's Degree, and your Express Entry profile, barring any glitches, should calculate your points correctly.

 

[TanakaM]

Hi evaluated both my credentials together and received one report. On the summery it is written that i have equivalent to bachelor degree in Cananda. On the report, i have two assessments. 1st assessment says i have secondary school diploma 2 years. 2nd
assessment says i have a bachelor degree 4 years.

I believe ECA summery only points out to the highest qualification one has acquired.

I have entered my details in the CIC but have not submitted the profile because i have not received the IELTS score card officially.
While entering my information under study and languages, i have entered two rows. For bachelor degree i have mentioned the duration of 3 years and selected bachelor degree under Level of Education option and for my diploma, i have selected the option secondary diploma.

The ECA Summary is dependent on the organization's overall assessment, when considering both credentials together. I believe I saw on this forum where someone had a Bachelor's assessed as a 1 or 2-year Diploma, and a Master's assessed as a 3-year Bachelor's, and the overall summary was a 4-year Bachelor's.

But if your ECA Summary says Bachelor's Degree, you should be good to go. Just list the 1st credential as equivalent to secondary school diploma, and your 2nd credential as equivalent to Bachelor's Degree, and your Express Entry profile, barring any glitches, should calculate your points correctly.

Hi,

Only post-secondary education is required, so only enter your Bachelors degree. Your secondary school diploma is irrelevant.

regards

 

[TanakaM]

I believe so - as long as you indicate the levels as specifically outlined by the ECA report, the system should automatically calculate the correct score for you...

So, you stated that your ECA Report stated "Secondary School Diploma and diploma 2 years". (Is this for both credentials or just one?). If it's for both, you would list 'Secondary diploma (high school graduation)' for one credential, and 'Two-year program at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute' for the other.

There has been some debate about how to represent the information in your EE Profile if your assessment is actually 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees....' - the question being whether to put the actual assessment for EACH credential, or whether to list 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees...' for the second credential, because some people have reported that the system calculated Education Level 5, rather than Education Level 6, when they entered, say, 'Bachelor's Degree...' for one, and 'Two-year program..." for the second. But this particular issue is only relevant if the ECA report has provided an assessment of 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees. One must be for a program of three or more years'

Final question though - did you assess your 2 credentials TOGETHER, or separately? If you did it TOGETHER and received one report for both, and your ECA Report summary DIDN'T state 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees. One must be for a program of three or more years', then you can be reasonably certain that you are, unfortunately , not eligible for 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees...'

If you assessed them separately though, and have the money and time to spend, you might want to consider having them evaluated together...I think it sometimes provides a different final result, when the credentials are assessed together...

This is inaccurate.
Firstly, two or more certificates, diplomas or degrees..... is in reference to post secondary education, not secondary school diplomas.
Secondly, it does not matter whether your credentials have been assessed together or not. The system will automatically give you points for the post secondary credentials you have. They may even have been assessed by two different organisations.

regards

 

[TanakaM]

Is there a limit on number of times you can attempt IELTS. I was told during visa interview they check number of attempts and can reject if it's too many.

Hi,

No, there isn't. I sat thrice but some sit many more times. It doesn't matter at all.

regards

 

[crescent_jam]

This is inaccurate.
Firstly, two or more certificates, diplomas or degrees..... is in reference to post secondary education, not secondary school diplomas.
Secondly, it does not matter whether your credentials have been assessed together or not. The system will automatically give you points for the post secondary credentials you have. They may even have been assessed by two different organisations.

regards

Hi Tanaka,
You may need to visit some of the posts in the conversation prior to that one, to get some context We had already established that the 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, degrees..." was only in reference to post secondary credentials.

Secondly, there have been reports of people obtaining different 'summaries' when they get their credentials assessed individually versus getting them assessed together (e.g. someone had a 1 or 2-year Bachelor's Degree assessed individually as a 2-year Diploma (post-secondary), and a Master's Degree assessed individually as a 3-year- Bachelor's Degree, but then when the two were assessed together, the summary report stated that they were both equivalent to a '4-year Bachelor's Degree'.

There have also been reports on this forum from people who legitimately fall into that "Two or more certificates, diploma, degrees..." bucket, that the system didn't give them the points that were due to them when they entered the individual assessment for each report. That's why I said 'there's debate'. The recommendation is generally to enter the individual assessment for each credential first and then, if the system isn't awarding you the correct points, to try going back in and changing the 2nd credential's assessment to ''Two or more certificates, diploma, degrees..." to see if the system will award the right points then...

 

[TanakaM]

Hi Tanaka,
You may need to visit some of the posts in the conversation prior to that one, to get some context We had already established that the 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, degrees..." was only in reference to post secondary credentials.

Secondly, there have been reports of people obtaining different 'summaries' when they get their credentials assessed individually versus getting them assessed together (e.g. someone had a 1 or 2-year Bachelor's Degree assessed individually as a 2-year Diploma (post-secondary), and a Master's Degree assessed individually as a 3-year- Bachelor's Degree, but then when the two were assessed together, the summary report stated that they were both equivalent to a '4-year Bachelor's Degree'.

There have also been reports on this forum from people who legitimately fall into that "Two or more certificates, diploma, degrees..." bucket, that the system didn't give them the points that were due to them when they entered the individual assessment for each report. That's why I said 'there's debate'. The recommendation is generally to enter the individual assessment for each credential first and then, if the system isn't awarding you the correct points, to try going back in and changing the 2nd credential's assessment to ''Two or more certificates, diploma, degrees..." to see if the system will award the right points then...

Hi how are you?

Sorry, I noticed that after I had posted.

However, I am not sure about the accuracy of those reports or claims. As far as I know the system is accurate.
I don't recall the options you get, but I don't think there is an option that says "two or more certificates...." It simply asks what the individual credential is and the gives posts based only all the entries you have.

regards

 

[crescent_jam]

Hi how are you?

Sorry, I noticed that after I had posted.

However, I am not sure about the accuracy of those reports or claims. As far as I know the system is accurate.
I don't recall the options you get, but I don't think there is an option that says "two or more certificates...." It simply asks what the individual credential is and the gives posts based only all the entries you have.

regards

I'm good (waiting impatiently for PPR ). How are you?

To be fair, I'm not sure about the 'system' part of it either, as I didn't fall into that 'Education Level' bucket, and didn't have to deal with that issue (and already sent off my APR so can't go back in now to check what the options are). My recommendation was just based on reports other persons on the forum have given, and the recommendations they gave each other to resolve the problem. I would think the best option would definitely be to put the actual assessment for each credential and for the system to calculate everything correctly, but if the system is in fact glitching (which it has sadly been known to do), it would be unfortunate for an applicant to miss out on those additional 8 points if they were actually due to them...

 

[TanakaM]

I'm good (waiting impatiently for PPR ). How are you?

To be fair, I'm not sure about the 'system' part of it either, as I didn't fall into that 'Education Level' bucket, and didn't have to deal with that issue (and already sent off my APR so can't go back in now to check what the options are). My recommendation was just based on reports other persons on the forum have given, and the recommendations they gave each other to resolve the problem. I would think the best option would definitely be to put the actual assessment for each credential and for the system to calculate everything correctly, but if the system is in fact glitching (which it has sadly been known to do), it would be unfortunate for an applicant to miss out on those additional 8 points if they were actually due to them...

I'm doing well. It is indeed a patience game but we will get therein the end.

As long as they enter accurate information they will be fine.

Enjoy your weekend.

 

[omesanni]

hey guys. My AOR is june 10 and I have been on IP1 since july 7. I got my gcms note on september 28 and i noticed my criminality check hadn't been done. Am in the London VO whatsapp chat group and everyone there is telling me that is really weird and that my criminality should have been done in CIO. Every other person in my chat group who posted snippets of the gcms note showed that their criminality was done at CIO yet mine is not the case. Most people in my AOR are either in NA or IP2 status and yet am still in IP1. It really baffles me. My due date was October 6 and till today i haven't seen any updates.

Just wanted to find out if anyone is in a similar place as me or if anyone has had their they criminality done in their VO rather than CIO or better yet just help make sense of my situation. Thanks

please can someone kindly help me with my question above?

 

[TanakaM]

please can someone kindly help me with my question above?

Hi,

Your case is unique my friend, that's why no one has an answer or comment.

I would advise you contact @legalfalcon he should be able to help you.

regards