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Refugee status cessation and PRs applying for citizenship

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Hi everyone. I have a question I’d like to ask. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

- How can someone know if their application is under investigation or if it’s been cessation?
My security process is ongoing.

- Will there be any glitches or problems that arise after the security process is complete or before the test?


I submitted my application on March 2024.



I ordered my GCMS notes



And this is the progress so far,

Under

Location: Grant Review Ready PM03

App Status Reason: In Progress

Triage: A2



ASSESSMENTS

Knowledge: Passed

Language: Not Started

Residence: Not Started

Intent to Reside:

Parentage:

Adoption:

Armed Forces:

Prohibition: Not Started

Security: In Progress

Criminality: Passed

Waiver:

Misrepresentation:

Hearing:

Final:

Oath: Not S t a r t e d

CIT Effective Date:

Discretionary Grant: N
 
I finally met with a lawyer and he advised me to give it a few years, as that will reduce my risk.
The major issue is that I applied for a travel document that expired before renewing my passport so in the event of a cessation, I can’t argue that I was unaware (even though I was).

With all these new cases being reported, it doesn’t look like the laws are changing anytime soon.
Hello all, it has been a while I posted here.
So I ended up submitting my citizenship application after my lawyer asked me to proceed.
I was apprehensive but decided to take the risk (not recommended for everyone without the backing of a lawyer).
It took months of uncertainty and sleepless nights but I’m finally a Canadian citizen!!!
For all those still afraid, I know how you feel but like several people have mentioned here, the nail in the coffin most likely is a trip to your home country.
This is a miracle in my opinion so I’m not advising anyone to do this, but I thought to share in case it provides some hope for those who renewed their passports or used it to travel to other counties.
 
Hello all, it has been a while I posted here.
So I ended up submitting my citizenship application after my lawyer asked me to proceed.
I was apprehensive but decided to take the risk (not recommended for everyone without the backing of a lawyer).
It took months of uncertainty and sleepless nights but I’m finally a Canadian citizen!!!
For all those still afraid, I know how you feel but like several people have mentioned here, the nail in the coffin most likely is a trip to your home country.
This is a miracle in my opinion so I’m not advising anyone to do this, but I thought to share in case it provides some hope for those who renewed their passports or used it to travel to other counties.

Congrats!!! Thanks for coming back and giving us an update.
 
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Hello everyone,

I’ve just submitted my citizenship applications for myself and my kids, despite the potential risks. I firmly believe that I must face any challenges head on, as waiting a few more years would only prolong the inevitable. Delaying now could mean facing the same proceedings and delays later on.

Interestingly, my brother recently received a letter at my old address in my home country. The letter stated that, based on intelligence reports, my citizenship there has been "doubtfully revoked," and I was instructed to appear at an office in the capital city. When I checked their online portal using my passport and citizenship numbers, it showed my status as “blocked.”

To be honest, I would never consider returning to that country under any circumstances. I’ve also consulted a lawyer here in Canada, who assured me that I have strong grounds, substantial evidence, and solid reasons to proceed. Ultimately, the decision was mine to make, and I’ve chosen to be proactive and take this step.

I feel confident and happy that I’ve finally applied. Whatever happens next, I’m prepared to face it. Fingers crossed...let’s see what the future holds. Wish me Luck and send good vibes.
 
- How can someone know if their application is under investigation or if it’s been cessation?

If you have traveled to Iraq (your home country?) and applied for citizenship, it would be a good idea to at least pay for a consultation with a qualified lawyer experienced with refugee cases. I can offer some observations but cessation is serious stuff and a lawyer can provide far better information, and offer advice and representation. Remember, obtaining a home country passport establishes a presumption of reavailment of home country protection and travel to the home country constitutes in fact reavailment, which is grounds for cessation unless the PR-refugee can prove there was no intent to reavail home country protection, which is not at all an easy task given the decision made to travel to the home country.

The key question is whether you have traveled to Iraq.

If not, if no travel to the home country, probably no need to worry about cessation.

If you have returned to Iraq since obtaining status in Canada, and your citizenship application has been in process for many months more than most others who applied around the same time, there is at least a substantial likelihood that there is indeed a cessation-related investigation. Note, however, that PR-refugees applying for citizenship often encounter longer processing times related to more extensive background screening apart from any cessation-related issues.

If the government has cessation proceedings pending against a PR-refugee the PR will get notice. Since you have a citizenship application in process, you would have gotten notice. (I am not sure how notice works if the PR-refugee does not have an active application in process and the government has difficulty contacting the individual. A webform query or telephone call to the help centre should be sufficient to verify if cessation proceedings have been commenced.)

If there had been a determination of cessation regarding you, your citizenship application would be quickly denied since, after all, that would mean you are not eligible for citizenship, not a PR, and indeed you would be inadmissible and facing deportation proceedings.

Knowing about investigations . . .

Knowing about investigations is a rather different kettle-of-go-fish given the extent to which information about investigations, and the manner and method, the means and scope of investigations generally, even the fact that an individual is subject to an ongoing investigation, is considered confidential. In addition to not being accessible by the public generally, this information ordinarily is not accessible even by those directly affected; that is, in particular, even the individual who is the subject of investigation is not entitled to information revealing they are the subject of an investigation (similar to how law enforcement does not give the target of a criminal investigation any heads-up notice, there is NO "hey, we're watching you, going through your trash, listening to your phone calls, checking your bank records" notice to suspected drug dealers for example).

Nonetheless, many PR-refugees who have traveled to their home country (who thus should be aware they are likely to be investigated for cessation) and who are the subject of a cessation investigation, may know or readily discern they are the subject of investigation as a result of interviews with CBSA officers, either attendant returning to Canada at a Port-of-Entry or later contact. Even if there has not been an interview that was overtly cessation-related attendant a PoE examination, some might surmise there is an investigation in progress based on the questions asked at a PoE after they have traveled to their home country.

Some PR-refugees may have the skill (or assistance from someone with the skill) to compose crafty ATIP requests which can probe into more details than the generic requests; it is not likely this will directly reveal there is an ongoing investigation but could reveal some clues indicating the probability there is an investigation happening.

Bottom-line, nonetheless, a PR-refugee who has traveled to their home country should anticipate not just the likelihood of investigation but the significant risk of cessation proceedings.

Something I do NOT know but very much suspect (in the sense that I think it is very likely), is that IRCC is screening the travel history of PR-refugee citizenship applicants and making referrals to CBSA for investigation if travel to the home country is indicated.


Other Catching Up:


I’ve just submitted my citizenship applications for myself and my kids, despite the potential risks. I firmly believe that I must face any challenges head on, as waiting a few more years would only prolong the inevitable. Delaying now could mean facing the same proceedings and delays later on.

Interestingly, my brother recently received a letter at my old address in my home country. The letter stated that, based on intelligence reports, my citizenship there has been "doubtfully revoked," and I was instructed to appear at an office in the capital city. When I checked their online portal using my passport and citizenship numbers, it showed my status as “blocked.”

To be honest, I would never consider returning to that country under any circumstances. I’ve also consulted a lawyer here in Canada, who assured me that I have strong grounds, substantial evidence, and solid reasons to proceed. Ultimately, the decision was mine to make, and I’ve chosen to be proactive and take this step.

I feel confident and happy that I’ve finally applied. Whatever happens next, I’m prepared to face it. Fingers crossed...let’s see what the future holds. Wish me Luck and send good vibes.

I generally will not second-guess advice from a lawyer (absent strong cause) and will not second-guess the lawyer you consulted with. The best I could offer I already posted late last year, back on December 19. That and the comment I make above about suspecting that IRCC is screening PR-refugee applications and making investigatory referrals if grounds for cessation are indicated, which would include any travel to the home country.

Please keep the forum advised as to how this goes.


At the risk of being flippant, coming across callous, "another one bites the dust."

Here again there is not much new in this decision: Telet v. Canada, 2025 FC 186, https://canlii.ca/t/k96hr (many long trips to home country; cessation upheld)

Message is clear: PR-refugees who travel to the home country can (and apparently many if not most will) have protected status ceased resulting in loss of PR status and, for those with a citizenship application pending, that application denied.

Justice Norris does dive further into the issue about how the RPD should consider, and whether it should apply, cessation under section 108(1)(e) (the reasons for which the person sought refugee protection have ceased to exist) rather than section 108(1)(a) (reavailment of home country protection). Remember that if refugee status is ceased under 108(1)(e) that has NO effect on the individual's status as a Canadian PR, but if ceased under 108(1)(a) that automatically terminates PR status in addition to the cessation of protected person status. The difference in which section cessation is based on is a BIG BIG DEAL.

The claim that the RPD should have ceased protected status under 108(1)(e), not 108(1)(a), has been what I would call a "defense strategy" showing up in a number of the cessation cases the last few years. Rarely successful.

One exception is another case decided by Justice Norris back in late 2023 (Taji v. Canada, 2023 FC 1587, https://canlii.ca/t/k1f24 and a case I discussed some here around a year plus or so ago). That is a case in which the judge found that since the RPD failed to address the PR-refugee's submissions on the issue, that cessation should be based on 108(1)(e), the PRP's determination of cessation based on reavailment, that is 108(1)(a), was unreasonable.

That's a weedy subject. Analysis and discussion of this is very interesting to me (I find, for example, Justice Norris' approach at least a bit tortured, reasoning fashioned to support a conclusion already reached) but for purposes of this forum the take away is that (with isolated exception) it appears that the defense strategy it-should-be-cessation-based-on-changed-circumstances (section 108(1)e) IRPA), not reavailment, is NOT getting much traction. That said, perhaps it has been successful before the RPD and the Minister has not appealed those cases, so we do not see published results from these cases.

Meanwhile . . . I still plan (eventually) to comment further (more editorial than informational) about the Deochan v. Canada, 2024 FC 2088, https://canlii.ca/t/k8hcj decision, and the underlying issue in the discussion between @canuck78 and @armoured (the extent to which an underlying suspicion of fraud or misrepresentation has an impact in cessation related cases), including how I think both those are related.
 
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Thank you very much for your detailed response,





I have not traveled to Iraq at all, but I did stay in a neighboring country for a period of seven months. I understand that extended stays outside of Canada can sometimes lead to additional scrutiny, which is why I have kept detailed records of my stay, including bank statements, rent checks, and other documentation to prove where I was during that time. I made sure to maintain proper records in case IRCC ever asks for clarification about my travel history in the future.



I also decided to request my GCMS notes to get a clearer picture of my application’s progress and to check if there were any red flags or concerns. After reviewing the notes, I saw that there was no mention of any investigation or cessation proceedings. The application is still marked as “open - in progress,” which suggests that there is no formal issue with my case. However, I have noticed that my security screening has been ongoing for more than nine months, and this long delay is making me concerned.



I know that security screening can sometimes take a long time, especially for applicants who have a refugee background or who have traveled outside Canada for extended periods. However, I don’t understand why mine is taking this long, especially since my criminality check has already been marked as passed. While I haven’t received any requests for additional documents or clarifications from IRCC, the fact that security screening has been dragging on for so long is worrying me.



Even though I did not enter Iraq at any point, I wonder if my seven-month stay in a neighboring country could have triggered additional security checks. Perhaps IRCC wants to verify my activities during that time, or they need to confirm that I was not in contact with any individuals or organizations that could raise security concerns. If that is the case, I feel confident that I can provide the necessary proof to clarify everything because I have kept clear and organized records of my stay.



I would really appreciate any insights from others who have been through a similar situation. Is it normal for security screening to take this long? Could my extended stay in a neighboring country be a factor in the delay? Should I be worried, or is this just a normal part of the process? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
I would really appreciate any insights from others who have been through a similar situation. Is it normal for security screening to take this long? Could my extended stay in a neighboring country be a factor in the delay? Should I be worried, or is this just a normal part of the process? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I have not been through but this is still pretty common sense (IMO):
-yes, it can take long for security screening, in general, and for nationals of some countries, or travel in some countries;
-yes, long stays in some neighbouring countries could be a significant factor (which countries might be important, possibly extremely important);
-if you travelled on your home-country passport as a (former) protected person, yes, that could also be the issue (as you asked above).

As a small aside, if IRCC were of the opinion that it's possible you entered your home country (Iraq I presume) and didn't report it, that could lengthen things while they attempt to evaluate that. Even the possibility. And especially if there are borders in the region where irregular (unrecorded, unstamped) entries are possible - which I believe is the case - it's possible they would attempt to look into that.

But you submitted in March 2024, which is not all that long for a file with your specifics.

"Should you be worried?"

Does anyone's response matter much here? You are, it seems, already worried.

I'd say you have good reason to be concerned if you travelled on your home country passport. That doesn't mean that it will be a rescission case, but you have reason to be concerned about it. I don't know that there's much you can do at this point, however, and hence whether worrying serves much purpose.
 
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I have not traveled to Iraq at all, but I did stay in a neighboring country for a period of seven months. . . . . . .

I also decided to request my GCMS notes to get a clearer picture of my application’s progress and to check if there were any red flags or concerns. After reviewing the notes, I saw that there was no mention of any investigation or cessation proceedings. The application is still marked as “open - in progress,” which suggests that there is no formal issue with my case. However, I have noticed that my security screening has been ongoing for more than nine months, and this long delay is making me concerned.

There is no need to request GCMS notes to find out if there are cessation proceedings in process. You would get notice if there was.

Otherwise, Again, GCMS Notes Will NOT Disclose Information About Investigations, Red Flags, or Most Concerns

So, it is not true that GCMS notes indicating the citizenship "application is still marked as 'open - in progress' . . . suggests that there is no formal issue with [your] case." There is no suggestion either way. So, it might be true there is NO "formal issue" or non-routine processing due to a particular concern, but the absence of red flags or concerns indicated in the GCMS notes does NOT suggest there are no problematic issues.

That said, however . . .
I ordered my GCMS notes . . . App Status Reason: In Progress . . . Triage: A2

Sorry, but "Triage: A2" indicates a red flag. No indication as to what that red flag is or what it is about, but it does mean there is some sort of warning or note in your GCMS indicating a concern. Again, a copy of GCMS records sent to applicants will NOT reveal what that particular warning or concern is. Thus, based on this notation in your GCMS you can infer there is a red flag or concern, but that's the extent to which GCMS records sent to you will reveal issues or concerns. (The triage criteria are part of the File Requirements Checklist; even a blank or template of the FRC is confidential . . . last known version of the triage criteria is over a decade old, based on a leaked copy of the FRC in use then. Most of the "A#" (as in A1, A2, or A6, and so on) triage criteria in the older FRC was about reasons to question the applicant's residency/physical presence.)

I apologize for not taking note of that before now. It is a significant detail.

Meanwhile, as @armoured commented, your application has not been in process for an uncommonly long time, way shy of being in process for an abnormal or even unusually long period of time. It has not been long enough to infer there is a problem. It does not take much to tip things into substantive non-routine processing (beyond requests for fingerprints, for example) that results in significantly longer processing times.

That said, as @armoured also discussed, and you appear to recognize, your background significantly elevates the risk of non-routine inquiries and assessment, and perhaps some security-related or cessation-related investigation. So it should be no surprise if your application takes significantly or even considerably longer than it does for many other applicants.

How much longer is impossible to predict and, indeed, you could suddenly be done, scheduled to take the oath soon . . . or it could be months more before there is any progress.

I understand the uncertainty can be unnerving and difficult, even in regards to uncertainty about the time line going forward, let alone apprehending the possibility of a substantive issue which could cause real problems.

At this juncture the probability is that the best you can do is WAIT to see how this goes, and hope it gets done soon but be prepared to potentially wait for months or many months more. And be prepared to respond to requests as well as notice to appear for an interview, or (obviously what you'd prefer) suddenly getting notice you are scheduled to take the oath.

Even though I did not enter Iraq at any point, I wonder if my seven-month stay in a neighboring country could have triggered additional security checks. Perhaps IRCC wants to verify my activities during that time, or they need to confirm that I was not in contact with any individuals or organizations that could raise security concerns.

Of course just visiting, let alone a lengthy stay in the region adjacent to the country you fled, increases the risk of elevated scrutiny and a longer processing time.

If that is the case, I feel confident that I can provide the necessary proof to clarify everything because I have kept clear and organized records of my stay.

If there is no cause for any security or criminality concerns it is unlikely you will be asked to provide information, documents, or an explanation.

If there is an investigation into your physical presence, the reasons for or the circumstances of your stay outside Canada will have very little relevance, the focus of the investigation will be to verify your dates IN Canada.

What We Do Not Know About Cessation Investigation:

If you have obtained a home country passport and used it to travel internationally, that establishes a presumption of reavailment. That could constitute a sufficient basis for cessation of protected person status.

What we do not know is if or when this will result in IRCC or CBSA initiating a cessation-related investigation. So far we have not seen any cessation cases against a PR-refugee who did not travel to their home country. But we do not know if obtaining and using a home country passport (which, again, establishes a presumption of grounds for cessation) is triggering cessation-related investigations that, so far anyway, do not result in a cessation proceeding but which can be causing delays in processing citizenship applications.
 
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Thank you very much for your detailed response,





I have not traveled to Iraq at all, but I did stay in a neighboring country for a period of seven months. I understand that extended stays outside of Canada can sometimes lead to additional scrutiny, which is why I have kept detailed records of my stay, including bank statements, rent checks, and other documentation to prove where I was during that time. I made sure to maintain proper records in case IRCC ever asks for clarification about my travel history in the future.



I also decided to request my GCMS notes to get a clearer picture of my application’s progress and to check if there were any red flags or concerns. After reviewing the notes, I saw that there was no mention of any investigation or cessation proceedings. The application is still marked as “open - in progress,” which suggests that there is no formal issue with my case. However, I have noticed that my security screening has been ongoing for more than nine months, and this long delay is making me concerned.



I know that security screening can sometimes take a long time, especially for applicants who have a refugee background or who have traveled outside Canada for extended periods. However, I don’t understand why mine is taking this long, especially since my criminality check has already been marked as passed. While I haven’t received any requests for additional documents or clarifications from IRCC, the fact that security screening has been dragging on for so long is worrying me.



Even though I did not enter Iraq at any point, I wonder if my seven-month stay in a neighboring country could have triggered additional security checks. Perhaps IRCC wants to verify my activities during that time, or they need to confirm that I was not in contact with any individuals or organizations that could raise security concerns. If that is the case, I feel confident that I can provide the necessary proof to clarify everything because I have kept clear and organized records of my stay.



I would really appreciate any insights from others who have been through a similar situation. Is it normal for security screening to take this long? Could my extended stay in a neighboring country be a factor in the delay? Should I be worried, or is this just a normal part of the process? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Would add that in many regions of the world people cross country borders without going through passport control which is one of the reasons your time in a neighbouring country is likely a concern. It is common knowledge that protected people and refugees have flown to neighbouring country and walked across the border to their home country. Proof of rent actually doesn’t guarantee presence in a country. For example regular bank withdrawals from a country would be a better indicator of presence in a country.
 
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