Parents sponsor living outside Canada

[deadbird]

Can someone elaborate on what the 'live in Canada' requirements exactly entail ? See - http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5772etoc.asp

In my case, I plan to live in the US before permanently moving to Canada. During this time I would also maintain Canadian tax residency in order to file taxes with the CRA. At some point I would permanently move to Canada and then initiate parents sponsorship. An example timeline is:

* File 2016, 2017 and 2018 taxes with CRA while living in the US
* Jan 2019 move to Canada permanently
* Jan 2020 file parents sponsorship.

Is this a legitimate plan?

 

[jhutti]

Can someone elaborate on what the 'live in Canada' requirements exactly entail ? See - http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5772etoc.asp

In my case, I plan to live in the US before permanently moving to Canada. During this time I would also maintain Canadian tax residency in order to file taxes with the CRA. At some point I would permanently move to Canada and then initiate parents sponsorship. An example timeline is:

* File 2016, 2017 and 2018 taxes with CRA while living in the US
* Jan 2019 move to Canada permanently
* Jan 2020 file parents sponsorship.

Is this a legitimate plan?

Income have to be canada sourced.

 

[deadbird]

Income have to be canada sourced.

So, if I have rental investments in Canada as well as dividend/capital gains payments from Canadian investments that would count as "Canadian sourced" correct?

 

[Bs65]

So, if I have rental investments in Canada as well as dividend/capital gains payments from Canadian investments that would count as "Canadian sourced" correct?

but are you actually resident for tax purposes in Canada or the US given your actual residence will be in the US ?

 

[deadbird]

but are you actually resident for tax purposes in Canada or the US given your actual residence will be in the US ?

I suppose I could buy a house in Canada and establish "significant residential ties" - http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/nnrsdnts/cmmn/rsdncy-eng.html

 

[jhutti]

So, if I have rental investments in Canada as well as dividend/capital gains payments from Canadian investments that would count as "Canadian sourced" correct?

Ur case will be on sticky wicket. Officer can say no at late stage when deciding SA. Look at poosibility of residing in canada border but work in us. Or talk with lawyer

 

[scylla]

I suppose I could buy a house in Canada and establish "significant residential ties" - http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/nnrsdnts/cmmn/rsdncy-eng.html

You can try this - however others who tried this have been refused. CIC is looking for physical residency.

Note that the link you've provided above outlines CRA residency rules (not CIC rules).

 

[deadbird]

You can try this - however others who tried this have been refused. CIC is looking for physical residency.

Note that the link you've provided above outlines CRA residency rules (not CIC rules).

Ur case will be on sticky wicket. Officer can say no at late stage when deciding SA. Look at poosibility of residing in canada border but work in us. Or talk with lawyer

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I have a few other questions.

* Does parental sponsorship in Quebec need only 1 year proof of income?
* Is the parental sponsorship timeline the same for Quebec and Federal ?

 

[scylla]

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I have a few other questions.

* Does parental sponsorship in Quebec need only 1 year proof of income?
* Is the parental sponsorship timeline the same for Quebec and Federal ?

Yes - Quebec only needs one year.
Yes - timelines are the same.

 

[deadbird]

Yes - Quebec only needs one year.
Yes - timelines are the same.

Cool thanks. So would it be fair to say that the quickest path to parental sponsorship and Canadian citizenship would be to live and work in Quebec?

Also as a disclaimer: I'm not trying to abuse the system. I have an analytical mindset and am always looking to reduce inefficiencies where I can.

 

[Rob_TO]

Can someone elaborate on what the 'live in Canada' requirements exactly entail ? See - http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5772etoc.asp

In my case, I plan to live in the US before permanently moving to Canada. During this time I would also maintain Canadian tax residency in order to file taxes with the CRA. At some point I would permanently move to Canada and then initiate parents sponsorship. An example timeline is:

* File 2016, 2017 and 2018 taxes with CRA while living in the US
* Jan 2019 move to Canada permanently
* Jan 2020 file parents sponsorship.

Is this a legitimate plan?

No it will not work. Read here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/ip/ip02-eng.pdf
5.30. Financial requirements
Financial resources must originate from Canadian sources for the following reasons:
• employment income abroad is not a reliable indicator of future or stable
employment in Canada.
• CPC staff cannot easily verify if foreign income can be transferred to Canada.
• converting foreign income into Canadian dollars is resource-intensive.
• in cases of default, collection and litigation, it is easier to recover income from
Canadian sources.

Only exception to this is if you physically live in Canada but receive payments from outside Canada or daily commute to US. If you physically live in the US, then US income will not count regardless of if you are still a resident for CRA tax purposes.

Cool thanks. So would it be fair to say that the quickest path to parental sponsorship and Canadian citizenship would be to live and work in Quebec?

Yes, as long as you commit to living in Quebec during the entire parents application process (several years). Also note that Quebec may change it's income rules for parents shortly before the PGP program re-opens. Usually they adopt the federal level requirements, so it's unusual they are still at 1 year while rest of Canada at 3.

To apply in Quebec in January 2020, you will need 2018 income from Canadian sources meeting LICO.

 

[deadbird]

Thanks for the detailed references @Rob_TO. Another question.

I would like to sponsor both my parents as well as my parents-in-law. Is it possible to split the parental application into two different applications (one for each set of parents)? The motivation being that if one set gets rejected, the other set would be independent.

Also, how would minimum income limits work in that case? I am guessing co-sponsoring with my spouse would get complicated.

 

[Rob_TO]

Thanks for the detailed references @Rob_TO. Another question.

I would like to sponsor both my parents as well as my parents-in-law. Is it possible to split the parental application into two different applications (one for each set of parents)? The motivation being that if one set gets rejected, the other set would be independent.

Also, how would minimum income limits work in that case? I am guessing co-sponsoring with my spouse would get complicated.

You must submit 2 separate applications. You will be sponsor for your own parents, and your spouse will be sponsor for her parents. Both of you can be co-signer on each others apps.

You and your spouse's combined Canadian income should meet LICO for your family size including ALL parents being sponsored.

 

[scylla]

Also, how would minimum income limits work in that case? I am guessing co-sponsoring with my spouse would get complicated.

Assuming you have no children - you have to meet LICO for 6 people. You and your spouse can combine your incomes.

 

[deadbird]

Assuming you have no children - you have to meet LICO for 6 people. You and your spouse can combine your incomes.

Thanks folks. This has been really helpful.