November 2024 - Citizenship Applications

[hmaster]

Hmm... I'm not an expert on this, but it's interesting to see how IRCC operates and what tools they use. I'm pretty sure they follow the same principles for citizenship applications, especially when handling cases in batches—there's several pieces of evidence for this if you analyze data from the tracker and IMMI tool. That said, I'm not an expert and have no clue about the specifics of their process. Just because it's irrelevant to you doesn't mean it's irrelevant to everyone else.

I mean citizenship systems are completely different. Its a nice video though.

 

[moman21]

Hmm... I'm not an expert on this, but it's interesting to see how IRCC operates and what tools they use. I'm pretty sure they follow the same principles for citizenship applications, especially when handling cases in batches—there's several pieces of evidence for this if you analyze data from the tracker and IMMI tool. That said, I'm not an expert and have no clue about the specifics of their process. Just because it's irrelevant to you doesn't mean it's irrelevant to everyone else.

I sincerely doubt that citizenship applications are done in batches. Applying for citizenship is not the same as applying for a student visa. furthermore, there is no quota or expectation to approve Citizenship applications in under 30 mins.

 

[hmaster]

I sincerely doubt that citizenship applications are done in batches. Applying for citizenship is not the same as applying for a student visa. furthermore, there is no quota or expectation to approve Citizenship applications in under 30 mins.

lol, exactly!

 

[MRQ]

I sincerely doubt that citizenship applications are done in batches. Applying for citizenship is not the same as applying for a student visa. furthermore, there is no quota or expectation to approve Citizenship applications in under 30 mins.

I can't be certain about things I have no knowledge of. My assumption is that the entire system is built on the same foundation and uses GCMS for data tracking. I doubt that GCMS is fundamentally different, aside from some tweaks depending on whether it's processing a visa or a citizenship request.

 

[MRQ]

I sincerely doubt that citizenship applications are done in batches. Applying for citizenship is not the same as applying for a student visa. furthermore, there is no quota or expectation to approve Citizenship applications in under 30 mins.

Yes, IRCC processes citizenship applications in batches rather than strictly on a first-come, first-served basis.

How IRCC Handles Citizenship Cases:

1. Batch Processing & Grouping
   • Applications are often grouped into batches based on factors like:
     • Office location (primary processing office, e.g., Sydney, Vancouver, Mississauga).
     • Application type (single applicant vs. family applications).
     • Completeness (if all documents are submitted correctly).
     • Language & background complexity (some cases require more security or residency checks).
2. Processing Stages in Bulk
   • IRCC works on certain steps in bulk, meaning some applicants may move forward together:
     • AOR (Acknowledgment of Receipt) – sent to many applications at once.
     • Background checks & security screening – done in phases.
     • Citizenship tests – scheduled in waves, often multiple people receive test invites at the same time.
     • Oath ceremonies – grouped by office availability.
3. GCMS & Internal Tools for Workflow Management
   • Citizenship cases are managed through GCMS (Global Case Management System) and CIT 360.
   • Officers follow priority rules, and some cases can be flagged for manual review if they have extra complexities.
4. Delays & Variations in Processing
   • Since batch processing depends on workload, some applications move faster than others.
   • If a file gets stuck, it usually needs manual review by an officer, which can add delays.

While IRCC has a general processing flow, batch processing means that some applicants move ahead faster if their batch is processed quickly, while others might wait longer depending on backlog and workload at specific offices.

 

[MJSPARV]

Yes, IRCC processes citizenship applications in batches rather than strictly on a first-come, first-served basis.

How IRCC Handles Citizenship Cases:

1. Batch Processing & Grouping
   • Applications are often grouped into batches based on factors like:
     • Office location (primary processing office, e.g., Sydney, Vancouver, Mississauga).
     • Application type (single applicant vs. family applications).
     • Completeness (if all documents are submitted correctly).
     • Language & background complexity (some cases require more security or residency checks).
2. Processing Stages in Bulk
   • IRCC works on certain steps in bulk, meaning some applicants may move forward together:
     • AOR (Acknowledgment of Receipt) – sent to many applications at once.
     • Background checks & security screening – done in phases.
     • Citizenship tests – scheduled in waves, often multiple people receive test invites at the same time.
     • Oath ceremonies – grouped by office availability.
3. GCMS & Internal Tools for Workflow Management
   • Citizenship cases are managed through GCMS (Global Case Management System) and CIT 360.
   • Officers follow priority rules, and some cases can be flagged for manual review if they have extra complexities.
4. Delays & Variations in Processing
   • Since batch processing depends on workload, some applications move faster than others.
   • If a file gets stuck, it usually needs manual review by an officer, which can add delays.

While IRCC has a general processing flow, batch processing means that some applicants move ahead faster if their batch is processed quickly, while others might wait longer depending on backlog and workload at specific offices.

Out of curiosity, how do you know this? This is a decent amount of detail and I’m wondering how you found this out

 

[MRQ]

Out of curiosity, how do you know this? This is a decent amount of detail and I’m wondering how you found this out

ChatGPT and some logic .....here is more ....

For citizenship applications, IRCC primarily uses the Global Case Management System (GCMS) to track and process cases.

Key Systems Used for Citizenship Processing:

1. GCMS (Global Case Management System)
   • The main system used by IRCC for managing applications, including citizenship, permanent residency, and visas.
   • Stores all applicant data, documents, notes from officers, and application status updates.
   • Used for communication between different IRCC offices and departments.
2. CIT 360
   • A system specifically used for processing citizenship applications.
   • Handles application intake, background checks, citizenship tests, interviews, and oath scheduling.
   • Likely connected to GCMS for tracking case progress.
3. ATIP (Access to Information and Privacy Request System)
   • Used by applicants to request their GCMS notes, which provide detailed information on how their case is progressing.
4. Electronic Citizenship Testing Platform
   • An online system where applicants can take their citizenship test remotely.
   • Launched in response to COVID-19 to allow virtual testing.
5. Tracker System
   • A public-facing online tool where applicants can check their case status.
   • Shows progress for key steps like background checks, language requirements, and the citizenship oath.

IRCC processes applications in batches and prioritizes certain cases based on various factors (e.g., complexity, security checks, travel history). The system is designed to handle large volumes efficiently, but delays can still happen due to workload and case-specific reviews.

 

[moman21]

Yes, IRCC processes citizenship applications in batches rather than strictly on a first-come, first-served basis.

How IRCC Handles Citizenship Cases:

1. Batch Processing & Grouping
   • Applications are often grouped into batches based on factors like:
     • Office location (primary processing office, e.g., Sydney, Vancouver, Mississauga).
     • Application type (single applicant vs. family applications).
     • Completeness (if all documents are submitted correctly).
     • Language & background complexity (some cases require more security or residency checks).
2. Processing Stages in Bulk
   • IRCC works on certain steps in bulk, meaning some applicants may move forward together:
     • AOR (Acknowledgment of Receipt) – sent to many applications at once.
     • Background checks & security screening – done in phases.
     • Citizenship tests – scheduled in waves, often multiple people receive test invites at the same time.
     • Oath ceremonies – grouped by office availability.
3. GCMS & Internal Tools for Workflow Management
   • Citizenship cases are managed through GCMS (Global Case Management System) and CIT 360.
   • Officers follow priority rules, and some cases can be flagged for manual review if they have extra complexities.
4. Delays & Variations in Processing
   • Since batch processing depends on workload, some applications move faster than others.
   • If a file gets stuck, it usually needs manual review by an officer, which can add delays.

While IRCC has a general processing flow, batch processing means that some applicants move ahead faster if their batch is processed quickly, while others might wait longer depending on backlog and workload at specific offices.

Batches, yes, but that's not the same as what that video described with an application on each row. for example, details are sent to RCMP, CBSA, CRA and CSIS in batches and probably se t back to IRCC in batches too...And results are probably inputed into the system in batches as well, but the reviewing and decision making is definitely not done in batches or quickly.

You should weigh the importance of citizenship vs temp visas. Just think about that. Canada is granting someone the rights and entitlements of their country. Do you think that privilege would be earned in quick decision making?
GCMS is the main system, I wasn't disagreeing with that. Just that the decision making process and workload would be different.

 

[moman21]

ChatGPT and some logic .....here is more ....

For citizenship applications, IRCC primarily uses the Global Case Management System (GCMS) to track and process cases.

Key Systems Used for Citizenship Processing:

1. GCMS (Global Case Management System)
   • The main system used by IRCC for managing applications, including citizenship, permanent residency, and visas.
   • Stores all applicant data, documents, notes from officers, and application status updates.
   • Used for communication between different IRCC offices and departments.
2. CIT 360
   • A system specifically used for processing citizenship applications.
   • Handles application intake, background checks, citizenship tests, interviews, and oath scheduling.
   • Likely connected to GCMS for tracking case progress.
3. ATIP (Access to Information and Privacy Request System)
   • Used by applicants to request their GCMS notes, which provide detailed information on how their case is progressing.
4. Electronic Citizenship Testing Platform
   • An online system where applicants can take their citizenship test remotely.
   • Launched in response to COVID-19 to allow virtual testing.
5. Tracker System
   • A public-facing online tool where applicants can check their case status.
   • Shows progress for key steps like background checks, language requirements, and the citizenship oath.

IRCC processes applications in batches and prioritizes certain cases based on various factors (e.g., complexity, security checks, travel history). The system is designed to handle large volumes efficiently, but delays can still happen due to workload and case-specific reviews.

Don't trust chatgpt lol and based on what you posted, you answered your own question.... Cit360 is the tool used for citizenship applications and not Chinook which is what was reviewed in the video you provided. LOL So definitely not the same process.

 

[MRQ]

Batches, yes, but that's not the same as what that video described with an application on each row. for example, details are sent to RCMP, CBSA, CRA and CSIS in batches and probably se t back to IRCC in batches too...And results are probably inputed into the system in batches as well, but the reviewing and decision making is definitely not done in batches or quickly.

You should weigh the importance of citizenship vs temp visas. Just think about that. Canada is granting someone the rights and entitlements of their country. Do you think that privilege would be earned in quick decision making?
GCMS is the main system, I wasn't disagreeing with that. Just that the decision making process and workload would be different.

I don’t know whether they process applications row by row or what method they use—I never said that. You were the one claiming they don’t use batches, see your post. Still, I have no clue how they actually process applications, except that they likely have a semi-automated system working in batches, which is similar to other visa processing systems.

 

[moman21]

I don’t know whether they process applications row by row or what method they use—I never said that. You were the one claiming they don’t use batches, see your post. Still, I have no clue how they actually process applications, except that they likely have a semi-automated system working in batches, which is similar to other visa processing systems.

Sorry for the confusion...my remark about batches was in the decision making process. in the video you showed, it states that using the Chinook app allows for IRCC to review and make a decision on temp visas in batches all at one go. This is what I am saying does not happen with citizenship applications. Decisions are made one by one for each application

 

[hmaster]

Sorry for the confusion...my remark about batches was in the decision making process. in the video you showed, it states that using the Chinook app allows for IRCC to review and make a decision on temp visas in batches all at one go. This is what I am saying does not happen with citizenship applications. Decisions are made one by one for each application

You are right! We are talking batches in different context. One screen batch (visa) VS. events and ceremonies in batches (cit).

This whole conversation is not making any sense to me, lol.

P.S. I just hope the next "batch" of LPP's on it's way,

 

[MRQ]

Sorry for the confusion...my remark about batches was in the decision making process. in the video you showed, it states that using the Chinook app allows for IRCC to review and make a decision on temp visas in batches all at one go. This is what I am saying does not happen with citizenship applications. Decisions are made one by one for each application

We're talking about processing, not decision making. Of course, decisions are made one by one, even for something like a golf club membership, it's done individually . I never said they use Chinook or any other specific tool, I was only referring to how they process applications.
My main point was about their processing method, and ChatGPT's data actually makes a lot of sense in explaining why some applications are completed sooner than others.

 

[hmaster]

We're talking about processing, not decision making. Of course, decisions are made one by one, even for something like a golf club membership, it's done individually . I never said they use Chinook or any other specific tool, I was only referring to how they process applications.
My main point was about their processing method, and ChatGPT's data actually makes a lot of sense in explaining why some applications are completed sooner than others.

MRQ is the winner!

P.S. The ChatGPT, Grok etc all aggregate data from forums and spit different things. IR.. never makes such things public and they change all the time - but the logic is correct. Events do work in batches and complex cases take longer

 

[MRQ]

MRQ is the winner!

P.S. The ChatGPT, Grok etc all aggregate data from forums and spit different things. IR.. never makes such things public and they change all the time - but the logic is correct. Events do work in batches.

This has nothing to do with winning or losing! By the way, take a closer look at AI and ChatGPT, it’s not as simple as you’re making it out to be.
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