condition 51 on my COPR

[screech339]

Simply because we have been in a relationship for 3 years and lived for 2 years before even applying (technically 1 year due to the stupid rule). This In-land process is the WORST experience ever due to the long processing times, we just want it all to be over. Now the FACT after ALL OF THIS and when I do get my PR its some kind of stupid Temporary Permanent Residence and its not even the official PR. We then have to wait a FURTHER 2 years before I get my REAL PR status, what a joke.

Be thankful that we won't be taking the US approach. Those with less than 2 year marriage also get 2 year green card and must come for an appointment to remove the temporary green card status. You and your spouse would be questioned in separate rooms with very very personal questions you probably don't want to share with strangers. Only to be compared if your marriage is genuine or not.

So which approach do you want? The interrogation of your personal life or the automatic removal of 2 year clause 2 years after landing?

Screech339

 

[MapleLeafBride]

Besides having to live with your spouse for 2 years (again, not an inconvenience in my eyes), how is the PR status any different? It all still counts the same towards citizenship, correct?

 

[screech339]

Besides having to live with your spouse for 2 years (again, not an inconvenience in my eyes), how is the PR status any different? It all still counts the same towards citizenship, correct?

It only counts towards citizenship if you are physically presence in Canada.

Citizenship residency qualification and PR residency obligations are two difference sets of rules.

 

[MapleLeafBride]

It only counts towards citizenship if you are physically presence in Canada.

Citizenship residency qualification and PR residency obligations are two difference sets of rules.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I know that. But, for the sake of applying for citizenship, those 2 years with Condition 51 hold the same weight as 2 years without, yes? Besides having to physically reside with your sponsor for 2 years, there are no other differences in PR status, correct?

 

[screech339]

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I know that. But, for the sake of applying for citizenship, those 2 years with Condition 51 hold the same weight as 2 years without, yes? Besides having to physically reside with your sponsor for 2 years, there are no other differences in PR status, correct?

That is correct. Makes no difference towards citizenship qualification whether you have condition 51 or not.

 

[JessNess]

I can't believe this thread even exists, lol.

 

[on-hold]

I think that everyone is being a bit uncharitable towards the OP. Sure, the relationship raises red flags -- that said, CIC has given her a COPR. There are relationships that are strong from the start; there are relationships that are true relationships but contain elements of instability; and there are fake relationships. No one can say if she is describing the second or the third, and plenty of people from both the first and the second categories immigrate to Canada.

If she is in a true relationship with unstable elements, I can completely understand why she wants to try and control Condition 51 -- it adds a second avenue of instability. Instead of simply worrying about the relationship, she has to worry about the relationship and her future -- it simply isn't that easy for everyone to return home and pick up their lives. Having a status in Canada that can be taken away, if something easily imaginable goes wrong, will make her life a lot tougher. I've had to do things before that had multiple moving parts -- several aspects that all had to come through, or there would be nothing -- and they all had to be begun at the same time. That is far more unpleasant than having a single thing, or several things in sequence, to control. She's trying to manage the amount of uncertainty she lives with.

Assuming, of course, that it's not a gag post.

 

[canadaukr]

You and your spouse would be questioned in separate rooms with very very personal questions you probably don't want to share with strangers. Only to be compared if your marriage is genuine or not.

So which approach do you want? The interrogation of your personal life or the automatic removal of 2 year clause 2 years after landing?

Screech339

Omg that's disgusting, we were expecting interview here in Canada and my husband said if they ask him any personal question they would be sorry for doing that...not sure what he meant though. We had no interview.

Ok guys from now on if I have questions or concerns I will go to a lawyer to find out how everything works. For now, I hope I can land either in cic office or on the US border.

In 2 years I can apply for citizenship, as every day in canada is considered 1/2 a day towards citizenship.
I hope all will be good between me and my husband.

Thank you for understanding and helping through this discussion.

 

[screech339]

In 2 years I can apply for citizenship, as every day in canada is considered 1/2 a day towards citizenship.
I hope all will be good between me and my husband.

Thank you for understanding and helping through this discussion.

Be aware that come next year june/july time-frame, the new rules for citizenship will come into effect. You will not be able to claim any days prior to PR landing as half days towards citizenship qualification. You will have to put in 4 years out of 6 years to qualify along with filing income taxes and maintaining a minimum 183 days per year.

 

[screech339]

Omg that's disgusting, we were expecting interview here in Canada and my husband said if they ask him any personal question they would be sorry for doing that...not sure what he meant though. We had no interview.

Just to be clear, the personal interrogation between spouses won't be done under Canada immigration process. That is what the US immigration does for those who got 2 year conditional Green card. And the onus is on you to make an appointment to remove the conditional clause. If you don't make an appointment, the green card status gets expired. You can't wait another 1 or 2 to prove genuine of marriage and then make an appointment.

Screech339

 

[canadaukr]

hi guys,
I have an update. Well we have been in Mexico for vacation for 2 weeks, on the way back to Canada I was going to land. I didn`t want to do that in front of my husband so I decided to play blonde and said I forgot my COPR at home in front of the immigration officer.... He said that`s ok and said they usually don`t do that but he can print me right now new copr so he did that and just said to sign it. I was worrying he will mention about condition but he didn`t!! I just signed and they said welcome to Canada. Done. My husband never looked at COPR and never will Our relationship is saved from someone having more power, I`m very happy. We are celebrating today. I am very relieved. Love my husband insanely and don`t want anything spoil our relationship.

 

[truesmile]

Be aware that come next year june/july time-frame, the new rules for citizenship will come into effect. You will not be able to claim any days prior to PR landing as half days towards citizenship qualification. You will have to put in 4 years out of 6 years to qualify along with filing income taxes and maintaining a minimum 183 days per year.

Good catch on the non-PR days in Canada which currently count as half days. I didn't notice that before, but then neither did many of the half-assed journalists reporting on the issue point that out either.

How about the 183 days per year? I can't decide whether I think it will be by calendar year, or 6 consecutive 12 month periods immediately prior to applying . . .

 

[screech339]

Good catch on the non-PR days in Canada which currently count as half days. I didn't notice that before, but then neither did many of the half-assed journalists reporting on the issue point that out either.

How about the 183 days per year? I can't decide whether I think it will be by calendar year, or 6 consecutive 12 month periods immediately prior to applying . . .

The 183 days per calendar year is the 12 month period prior to submitting application. Not the Jan - Dec calendar year. You can still apply for citizenship if you are out of Canada 2 year and apply 4 years later. 4 years out of the 6 year must have a minimum of 183 days each.

Screech339

 

[truesmile]

That's not so bad. The way I see it (or hope to see it), if you start your 4th year IN Canada and remain, you could apply once you have 183 days, in effect 3.5 years after landing, (assuming you're permitted to apply as soon as you have the said 4 year minimum, each year with the 183 day minimum within).

 

[zardoz]

That's not so bad. The way I see it (or hope to see it), if you start your 4th year IN Canada and remain, you could apply once you have 183 days, in effect 3.5 years after landing, (assuming you're permitted to apply as soon as you have the said 4 year minimum, each year with the 183 day minimum within).

Don't forget that those days in the 6 years period must be at least 1460 physically in Canada. Therefore, it's impossible to become eligible in less than 4 years.

(c) is a permanent resident within the meaning of subsection 2(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, has, subject to the regulations, no unfulfilled conditions under that Act relating to his or her status as a permanent resident and has, since becoming a permanent resident,
(i) been physically present in Canada for at least 1,460 days during the six years immediately before the date of his or her application,
(ii) been physically present in Canada for at least 183 days during each of four calendar years that are fully or partially within the six years immediately before the date of his or her application, and
(iii) met any applicable requirement under the Income Tax Act to file a return of income in respect of four taxation years that are fully or partially within the six years immediately before the date of his or her application;