Citizenship test: Collective action required, or expect endless delays, years. Example of the effective lobbyng of people awaiting spousal sponsorship

[ott-613]

Do we need to sign the petition with our real names ... etc, or our handles in these forums anonymously?

Real name and thats fine. Its public petition

 

[CaBeaver]

IRCC doesn't give two ***** about petitions, neither does Justin Trudeau or Marco whatshisname. And even if they did you wouldn't even get 500 people on this forum willing to sign it with their real names, never mind 2000. Take a look at this petition started a month or two ago, can't even get past first base in spite of all the whining and ranting about delays on this forum:
https://www.change.org/p/justin-trudeau-citizenship-applications-process-in-6-months

A lot of people who are outspoken and vocal here, for some strange reason, are only comfortable being so anonymously behind their keyboards. Half-assed efforts like online petitions or twitter hashtags, unfortunately, won't be sufficient to spur IRCC into action. It's time to play hardball with them, either through massive organized protests or legal action.

If people are not willing to sign petitions with their real names, and even use hashtags anonymously, what make you think they would protest in-person possibly in front of media cameras? IRCC can and will retaliate. I am not willing to sign my real name or protest in-person and jeopardize my chances. We don't live in a totalitarian country, but I can designate IRCC in by itself as a totalitarian unit because of its lack of transparency and random processing of applications, especially for us non-citizens residents and immigrants. They can be held accountable by courts, but moving that direction is also risky.

I read somewhere here, they may have delayed someone's file because they kept calling them 2-3 times a week. Is this justified? Of course no, but if they did delay it, no one could have known or done anything, because they don't write this in notes. Ultimately, you may think because we live in a democracy, everything is transparent, but the reality is every department is trying to defend itself and survive by acting in a way that doesn't threaten its existence. Canada has proven to be behind UK and Australia in transparency. In the UK if your file is not processed within the processing time limit, they send you an explanation why your file won't be processed within the normal processing limits. Such transparency is lacking in Canada, and some policies need to be changed to change that, i.e., it must happen at a higher level to force IRCC into changing their actions.

 

[jackbauer]

If there’s a paid option for processing, let’s say such as the US has premium processing (1200$ for approval within 15 days), I’m sure some of us would be more than happy to pay. Something to put in the petition maybe??

 

[cobie2]

If people are not willing to sign petitions with their real names, and even use hashtags anonymously, what make you think they would protest in-person possibly in front of media cameras? IRCC can and will retaliate. I am not willing to sign my real name or protest in-person and jeopardize my chances. We don't live in a totalitarian country, but I can designate IRCC in by itself as a totalitarian unit because of its lack of transparency and random processing of applications, especially for us non-citizens residents and immigrants. They can be held accountable by courts, but moving that direction is also risky.

I read somewhere here, they may have delayed someone's file because they kept calling them 2-3 times a week. Is this justified? Of course no, but if they did delay it, no one could have known or done anything, because they don't write this in notes. Ultimately, you may think because we live in a democracy, everything is transparent, but the reality is every department is trying to defend itself and survive by acting in a way that doesn't threaten its existence. Canada has proven to be behind UK and Australia in transparency. In the UK if your file is not processed within the processing time limit, they send you an explanation why your file won't be processed within the normal processing limits. Such transparency is lacking in Canada, and some policies need to be changed to change that, i.e., it must happen at a higher level to force IRCC into changing their actions.

FWIW I'm betting the majority of people complaining here would not attend an in-person protest either, for the same reason that they do not want to out themselves by signing online petitions or engaging in hashtag activism on twitter using their real names. I was only advocating protests and legal actions as more concrete steps towards achieving our end goal than online petitions and keyboard activism.

Nothing is without risk, in the end it's up to you to decide how important this issue is to you and what risks you are willing to take. It just seems like we are going around in circles here with most just using this forum as an outlet for venting and whining as opposed to real brainstorming, getting our ducks in a row and concretizing the ideas that have been put forth here (out of fear, lack of funds or simply not caring enough).

We may as well close this thread or just leave it open for those who wish to use it as venting therapy. Everyone for himself/herself from here on, just go for Mandamus on your own through a lawyer - for those willing to go that route - or keep complaining anonymously online and accept that it may take up to 10 years or longer to process your application.

 

[CaBeaver]

If there’s a paid option for processing, let’s say such as the US has premium processing (1200$ for approval within 15 days), I’m sure some of us would be more than happy to pay. Something to put in the petition maybe??

This was in the Conservatives platform. Liberals are not concerned about the backlog. They want to bring more refugees to Canada as a Human Rights advocate. Maybe now the turn for Haitians to delay our applications for another 2 years

 

[luvtrump]

This was in the Conservatives platform. Liberals are not concerned about the backlog. They want to bring more refugees to Canada as a Human Rights advocate. Maybe now the turn for Haitians to delay our applications for another 2 years

Liberals are bent on bringing more refugees , i was reading earlier they are doubling on Afghan refugees from 20000 to 40000

 

[luvtrump]

If people are not willing to sign petitions with their real names, and even use hashtags anonymously, what make you think they would protest in-person possibly in front of media cameras? IRCC can and will retaliate. I am not willing to sign my real name or protest in-person and jeopardize my chances. We don't live in a totalitarian country, but I can designate IRCC in by itself as a totalitarian unit because of its lack of transparency and random processing of applications, especially for us non-citizens residents and immigrants. They can be held accountable by courts, but moving that direction is also risky.

I read somewhere here, they may have delayed someone's file because they kept calling them 2-3 times a week. Is this justified? Of course no, but if they did delay it, no one could have known or done anything, because they don't write this in notes. Ultimately, you may think because we live in a democracy, everything is transparent, but the reality is every department is trying to defend itself and survive by acting in a way that doesn't threaten its existence. Canada has proven to be behind UK and Australia in transparency. In the UK if your file is not processed within the processing time limit, they send you an explanation why your file won't be processed within the normal processing limits. Such transparency is lacking in Canada, and some policies need to be changed to change that, i.e., it must happen at a higher level to force IRCC into changing their actions.

Well maybe we can put a request to the Queen to intervene and do something about IRCC lol

 

[CaBeaver]

Well maybe we can put a request to the Queen to intervene and do something about IRCC lol

Probably it's easier than reaching out to the minister of immigration.

 

[CaBeaver]

Here is another way to look at federal workers returning to offices: it's acceptable to the government to put 30+ students in the same room. Why is it still more risky to put IRCC employees in what I assume large spaces? Also, doctors and nurses haven't stopped working in closed spaces, even before vaccination.

 

[cobie2]

Liberals are bent on bringing more refugees , i was reading earlier they are doubling on Afghan refugees from 20000 to 40000

This will end badly. I hope they are at least prioritizing women and children over men so we don't have cases like these:
Reports of ‘child brides’ among Afghan evacuees at Fort McCoy raise concerns | State and Regional News | madison.com
2 Afghan men at Fort McCoy charged with assault, engaging in sex act with a child | Crime | madison.com

 

[CaBeaver]

Guys, IRCC just posted on twitter. Please go and post there now. Let's mobilize and organize our efforts. It's the least we can do to be heard

 

[omarnabsws]

unrelated anecdote:

I live in Ottawa, I was selling something on Kijiji like a month ago
A guy came to make a sale, I chatted with him and turns out he will be leading a project to modernize IIRC, he works for the government in IT, I asked him a bit about the process there now, he said that it is a mess. Everything is excel sheet and paper based. lots of room for error and its really really bad

He said that the project wont start until the election is done cause trudeau put 40 million for it, so if the conservatives win it wont happen

 

[CaBeaver]

unrelated anecdote:

I live in Ottawa, I was selling something on Kijiji like a month ago
A guy came to make a sale, I chatted with him and turns out he will be leading a project to modernize IIRC, he works for the government in IT, I asked him a bit about the process there now, he said that it is a mess. Everything is excel sheet and paper based. lots of room for error and its really really bad

He said that the project wont start until the election is done cause trudeau put 40 million for it, so if the conservatives win it wont happen

We kind of knew that from their performance. They are old school and inefficient. It took them 10 months to implement a simple web application for the online test. I could have built it in a week. The $40M project probably will take a decade to be implemented.

 

[raaj051]

My Fingerprints was done on January 2020 and test done on August 2021. So my question is this, do I need to give fingerprint again and is it necessary to do after one year ?

 

[chs]

Guys, IRCC just posted on twitter. Please go and post there now. Let's mobilize and organize our efforts. It's the least we can do to be heard

With regards to what? The only thing they posted was about people sponsoring parents or grandparents. (Unless I missed something?)