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http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?nid=863279

Barring conditional permanent residents

"Under the new changes, permanent residents with unfulfilled conditions attached to their permanent resident status will not be eligible for citizenship. Previously, there were no provisions in the Citizenship Act preventing conditional permanent residents from obtaining citizenship if they otherwise met the requirements. This posed the risk that a conditional permanent resident could acquire citizenship even though they had not fulfilled the conditions attached to their permanent resident status."

SCCA,

"3. (1) Paragraphs 5(1)(c) to (e) of the Act are replaced by the following:
(c) is a permanent resident within the meaning of subsection 2(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, has, subject to the regulations, no unfulfilled conditions under that Act relating to his or her status as a permanent resident and has, since becoming a permanent resident,..."

The Conditional Permanent wording in the press release to me is somewhat misleading in that it could lead to a false presumption of it only applying to those with a Con 51 (sponsored spouses) COPR flag. My understanding is that this condition has always been there but CIC were laid back in enforcing it. Certainly if there were judicial proceedings it would be on the basis of what conditional means and its simplest definition is that of 'any' condition. Recent FC case law for example shows CIC starting to bounce citizenship applications from refugees who have cessation/ revocation issues before the Immigration and Refugee Board on the basis that their PR status is in doubt. This despite it being common knowledge that historically CIC/CBSA used to turn a blind eye to refugees when they returned to Canada after visits or even lengthy stays from their home countries (which they claim was where they faced persecution). So just because CIC is not enforcing the law now doesn't meant it wont do so in future.

So its feasible for CIC to say moving from Province A to Province B contrary to the PNP process means you have an unfulfilled aspect of PR acquisition. So if you got your Ontario PNP PR status say Jan 1, 2015 and moved to AB on Jan 20, 2015 could ON say hold on a minute that wasn't the agreement and request CIC to commence an investigation? Go check clauses 27.2, 14.1 and 12.2 of the IRPA referring to PRs meeting their conditions including those chosen under the economic classes and this could present problems. I expect this 'rule' to be more of an issue for those in the Investor Class where the conditions are more clear cut e.g create employment for x number of PRs or Citizens and this hasn't been met. This 'rule' is easy too (even a rookie CIC lawyer could deal with this) for adding an inference on the intent to reside clause where the 'conditional' permanent resident doesn't meet a condition pertaining to 'living/residing' in Canada because they are outside Canada.
 
PRs under PNP can change the province?
 
You're jumping to an absolutely massive conclusion by saying this new rule means that those who obtain PR through PNP can't change provinces. Your subject line is extremely deceiving. You make it sounds like CIC has specifically introduced a new rule saying these individuals can't switch provinces. Nowhere does it specifically say that. Stop fear mongering.
 
scylla said:
You're jumping to an absolutely massive conclusion by saying this new rule means that those who obtain PR through PNP can't change provinces. Your subject line is extremely deceiving. You make it sounds like CIC has specifically introduced a new rule saying these individuals can't switch provinces. Nowhere does it specifically say that. Stop fear mongering.

my english is not very high level
but what understand PNP PR holder can't move province after PR
 
scylla said:
You're jumping to an absolutely massive conclusion by saying this new rule means that those who obtain PR through PNP can't change provinces. Your subject line is extremely deceiving. You make it sounds like CIC has specifically introduced a new rule saying these individuals can't switch provinces. Nowhere does it specifically say that. Stop fear mongering.

+1. I've just skim-read the article. Need Canadian PR: there is nothing in there about PNP. It is, putatively, possible to "read between the lines" & *speculate* that these provisions *might* be used *in the future* to create regulations which could affect PNP holders. For now, it's just not there.
 
Need Canadian Pr said:
my english is not very high level
but what understand PNP PR holder can't move province after PR

Again, no - the rules don't say that at all.

Someone (not CIC) is speculating that the rules could be used that way in the future - but they are also speculating CIC would most likely target investor class applicants rather than regular PNP applicants. They key word here is "speculating".

Once again, there is no rule that states PNP holders can't switch provinces. You are creating problems that don't exist.
 
scylla said:
Again, no - the rules don't say that at all.

Someone (not CIC) is speculating that the rules could be used that way in the future - but they are also speculating CIC would most likely target investor class applicants rather than regular PNP applicants. They key word here is "speculating".

Once again, there is no rule that states PNP holders can't switch provinces. You are creating problems that don't exist.

It would have been useful for the entire thread on this topic to have been available so that the speculative commentary which I wrote in response to a query on a citizenship thread could be reviewed in the entire context of the discussion. For some reason 'Need Canadian Pr' conveniently posted just this excerpt of it and interpreted it in his/her own way giving the impression that it was a clear cut for PNP PRs to have issues moving. They could do but intent is a more difficult concept to narrow down for those who move provinces as it includes how soon this happens after 'landing' and how provinces intend to enforce what they may deem 'abuse' of the PNP if you don't actually settle in the province that got you that PR in the first place. The issue really is will CIC care in 4 years because they currently don't?

Its more clear where the lines are for Investor Class PRs as they have clearly defined conditions to meet. Just today a participant on the citizenship section of this forum got their oath cancelled because CIC are verifying that he has fulfilled the landing conditions as an Investor. Why CIC doesn't do this 'verification' at the end of the relevant period as per the Investor Class rules and not shortly prior to an oath is farcical.
 
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