Where is the skill getting measured? Everything here is Quantitative and not Qualitative. If there is no skill criteria anyone with 3-4 years of experience in a lower skilled job (book keeping, clerical work etc etc) will have higher points than those with higher skilled work with less experience (python developer, actuarial analyst). How does guarantee better skill? And the way this works is that a student will get a higher score if he 1) studies in India for 3 years (average bachelors degree), work for 1 year and then come to Canada and go to one of those colleges and then apply through CEC as opposed to 2) student doing bachelors and masters in Canada and working for 1 year and applying through CEC.
Student 1 spends considerably less than student 2 and imho is lesser skilled but still student 1 has advantage. Not complaining just something I noticed.
Low-skill jobs are defined as NOC C,D.
High-skill jobs are defined as NOC 0,A,B
In FSW, people with low skill jobs experiences will have more restrictions than those with high skill jobs. (Check me, not 100% positive on that)
And in CEC, they are not eligible at all.
Should market conditions not decide what skill is better and employable? If bookkeepers can find jobs, then it be at that. CIC will respond to exploitation I assume, they have statisticians and math experts doing analysis and forecasting. Now how much their say is considered into making decisions is another matter.
mf4361 said:
Low-skill jobs are defined as NOC C,D.
High-skill jobs are defined as NOC 0,A,B
In FSW, people with low skill jobs experiences will have more restrictions than those with high skill jobs. (Check me, not 100% positive on that)
And in CEC, they are not eligible at all.
Hmm but isn't it a common pool now? Unless there are picking separately for FSW and CEC this won't be valid right?
bambooshka said:
Should market conditions not decide what skill is better and employable? If bookkeepers can find jobs, then it be at that. CIC will respond to exploitation I assume, they have statisticians and math experts doing analysis and forecasting. Now how much their say is considered into making decisions is another matter.
Yes, you are right. But where in this whole system is market conditions playing a factor? If what they are saying is right then that CRS ranking system is the only way your fate is decided.
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Well, if they aren't eligible in CEC or FSW, they aren't gonna be in the pool, correct?
mf4361 said:
Well, if they aren't eligible in CEC or FSW, they aren't gonna be in the pool, correct?
True. This is why these should not be considered as loopholes.
mf4361 said:
Well, if they aren't eligible in CEC or FSW, they aren't gonna be in the pool, correct?
Okay. This is confusing. CEC is still subject to NOC rules but FSW isn't. Isn't there whole another thread where it was said that NOC skill restrictions were being lifted.
praneet87 said:
Okay. This is confusing. CEC is still subject to NOC rules but FSW isn't. Isn't there whole another thread where it was said that NOC skill restrictions were being lifted.
There is no NOC. But to enter EE, you have to satisfy either one program's conditions.
bambooshka said:
There is no NOC. But to enter EE, you have to satisfy either one program's conditions.
And these programs have certain skill level criteria?
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praneet87 said:
Okay. This is confusing. CEC is still subject to NOC rules but FSW isn't. Isn't there whole another thread where it was said that NOC skill restrictions were being lifted.
FSW, CEC and FST programs are all for SKILLED employment. The definition of "skilled" remains NOC O, A, or B. The only thing that is being lifted are the current exclusions for the 6 occupations (CEC), the list of eligible occupations (FSW), and the caps on specific occupations.
jes_ON said:
FSW, CEC and FST programs are all for SKILLED employment. The definition of "skilled" remains NOC O, A, or B. The only thing that is being lifted are the current exclusions for the 6 occupations (CEC), the list of eligible occupations (FSW), and the caps on specific occupations.
Thanks. That clears a lot of confusion
Read the comments section on any CBC news article about the EE and you'll find many more loop hole examples and people worried about. Ha.
praneet87 said:
Where is the skill getting measured? Everything here is Quantitative and not Qualitative. If there is no skill criteria anyone with 3-4 years of experience in a lower skilled job (book keeping, clerical work etc etc) will have higher points than those with higher skilled work with less experience (python developer, actuarial analyst). How does guarantee better skill?
Well, if an employer is willing to apply for the LMIA to hire or keep an employee . . . is that not a kind of qualitative evaluation, rewarded with 600 pts?
jes_ON said:
Well, if an employer is willing to apply for the LMO to hire or keep an employee . . . is that not a kind of qualitative evaluation, rewarded with 600 pts?
LMO does nothing anymore.
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